Dan Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 52 minutes ago, Warcodered said: The reason it got so bad is despite the fact that the Bills should have clearly blown out the Bucs we somehow managed to find a way to potentially lose on the last play of the game. Having games like that every week is ***** exhausting. On the positive the offense showed that it indeed can be very effective, they ran the fast tempo offense spreading the ball around giving Josh time to scan the defense and find the opening to dice them up. The Bucs slowed us down in the red zone through a combination of us going back to the bad play calling and them just having one of the best red zone defenses in the league. Defense also played well this game, they made a few mistakes but overall played a good game. Problem was that once we got a 14 point lead in the second half, it seemed like we decided to stop doing what was working on offense to try and burn clock, which ironically did the opposite. So instead of a dominant win we watched the game end with us hanging on by our fingernails, and that's just frustrating. Which leads to fans to release that pent up frustration here. Can agree with all that… but as I understand it, Josh likely aggravated his throwing shoulder. So maybe the idea was… let’s run the ball, hang on, and get out of here with no more injuries. ?? Bad idea? Maybe. But the notion that the McD is too conservative forgets all the games that they won by 3 or 4 scores, or all the times they have gone for it on 4th down, or basically anything based on reality and centers on… I don’t feel good about this. Quote
Beck Water Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 1 hour ago, SCBills said: I have NEVER seen such a bad bounce game in my life. I still can’t get over the trifecta of Allen deflection, pick - Benford deflection, TD - Phillips deflection, 2 pt conversion. Add in a muffed recovery, ball bouncing directly back to Baker on a high snap, Phillips facemask… felt like we were cursed last night. But we won, despite the curse. Isn't that good? Quote
newcam2012 Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: 3 more points, any time in the 2nd half, and the game is over. Everyone can breathe. The vibe among the fanbase is totally different. 4 drives and we couldnt even get into FG range. Yikes. They scored right out the gate in the second half. I think you have to put what you are saying in proper perspective. Yes it's true about not scoring in the four drives. The Bills were up 14 points. The Tampa offense didn't feel scary or dynamic. The 14 point lead pretty much felt insurmountable so long as the Bills didn't turn over the ball. I was satisfied with the Bills killing the clock and not taking unnecessary chances. I absolutely wanted them to punt on the two 4th and short opportunities. Ideally, you want to close out these games. At the same time, I was fine with not turning over the ball, punting , and seeing if Tampa could score two TDs. I really never felt like they would be successful. It got very scary but so many fluke things happened to get Tampa in that position. I doubt you see so many weird bounces, bad calls, or horrific penalties like that in a long time. The Bills were at home, up 14 points, vs a pretty poor offense, and Baker Mayfield isn't exactly Mahomes. Overall, I think the Bills offense was fine. They looked very good and different in a good way. Nice play calls, nice pace, diversity, and creative. Josh looked like Josh!!! I usually look at the negative side of things when it comes to the Bills. This time I find myself strongly gravitating to the positive. This was the first time since the Miami game that I feel this offense just might be able to carry the team. That's exciting to this fan. Edited October 27, 2023 by newcam2012 Quote
Herc11 Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: This guy punted 3x at midfield in the 4th quarter But, but, but he tried baiting them to jump every time. You know, the bait to jump off sides that we always do and everyone knows that's what we're trying to do. Edited October 27, 2023 by Herc11 Quote
Warcodered Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dan said: Can agree with all that… but as I understand it, Josh likely aggravated his throwing shoulder. So maybe the idea was… let’s run the ball, hang on, and get out of here with no more injuries. ?? Bad idea? Maybe. But the notion that the McD is too conservative forgets all the games that they won by 3 or 4 scores, or all the times they have gone for it on 4th down, or basically anything based on reality and centers on… I don’t feel good about this. I get what you're saying but both of our passing TDs came after that, Josh was still throwing just as well. McDermott has gone for it on 4th down in the past and I know he'll do it, the punting in those situations was the right call. The switching gears on offense and getting away from that up tempo offense that had been working all night wasn't. A 3 score lead is much better than a 2 score one, with a 2 score lead the other team scores a TD like they did and they're immediately breathing down your neck. Quote
Process Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 Anyone listen to Dorsey today and know if he was asked about shotgun on 4th and 6 inches? That's all I care about from last night's game. Thought he called a nice game otherwise. 2 Quote
WideNine Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Mango said: One specific bright spot from last night wasn't just Davis, but it was the diversity of routes and depth that Davis ran last night. He didn't just have a good game he basically ran all over the field and caught everything thrown his way. Special shout out to Shakir who seems to have a knack for finding green space. Even after I slept on it, I am very angry with Josh and Dorsey for costing me an 11 leg parlay. All they needed to do was throw the ball to Cook twice. One more pass to Cook. ONE! Come on guys. Teams have played off of Davis knowing it takes some runway for him to get up to speed and his target depth is usually deeper. The Bills used that cushion to their advantage, hitting Davis and letting him power his way to the sticks. It was a good adjustment by Dorsey and the offense... 3 Quote
TheWei44 Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: They scored right out the gate in the second half. I think you have to put what you are saying in proper perspective. Yes it's true about not scoring in the four drives. The Bills were up 14 points. The Tampa offense didn't feel scary or dynamic. The 14 point lead pretty much felt insurmountable so long as the Bills didn't turn over the ball. I was satisfied with the Bills killing the clock and not taking unnecessary chances. I absolutely wanted them to punt on the two 4th and short opportunities. Ideally, you want to close out these games. At the same time, I was fine with not turning over the ball, punting , and seeing if Tampa could score two TDs. I really never felt like they would be successful. It got very scary but so many fluke things happened to get Tampa in that position. I doubt you see so many weird bounces, bad calls, or horrific penalties like that in a long time. The Bills were at home, up 14 points, vs a pretty poor offense, and Baker Mayfield isn't exactly Mahomes. Overall, I think the Bills offense was fine. They looked very good and different in a good way. Nice play calls, nice pace, diversity, and creative. Josh looked like Josh!!! I usually look at the negative side of things when it comes to the Bills. This time I find myself strongly gravitating to the positive. This was the first time since the Miami game that I feel this offense just might be able to carry the team. That's exciting to this fan. One of your better posts!! : ) I came away with very similar sentiments. Wasn't too worried at the end but also wasn't "loving it" - But we saw the emergence of some younger playmakers, including Shakir who I practically forgot existed, and Kincaid who I was expecting to catch fire with Knox out. And I think it's clear that this was viewed as more or less of a "must win" so we saw Josh's legs more (I think they want to save that for later tough games/playoffs if they can). And seeing the rhythm on offense was excellent and I'm sure we could have scored more if really needed. And I don't recall ever seeing so many "50/50" situations go against us//fluky crap. If the Bucs started that same long drive in the 4th 1,000 times, 75-80% of the time it would have stalled out completely or ended in a FG. Now we get a 1.5 week rest. Edited October 27, 2023 by TheWei44 1 Quote
Big Turk Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 21 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: They scored right out the gate in the second half. I think you have to put what you are saying in proper perspective. Yes it's true about not scoring in the four drives. The Bills were up 14 points. The Tampa offense didn't feel scary or dynamic. The 14 point lead pretty much felt insurmountable so long as the Bills didn't turn over the ball. I was satisfied with the Bills killing the clock and not taking unnecessary chances. I absolutely wanted them to punt on the two 4th and short opportunities. Ideally, you want to close out these games. At the same time, I was fine with not turning over the ball, punting , and seeing if Tampa could score two TDs. I really never felt like they would be successful. It got very scary but so many fluke things happened to get Tampa in that position. I doubt you see so many weird bounces, bad calls, or horrific penalties like that in a long time. The Bills were at home, up 14 points, vs a pretty poor offense, and Baker Mayfield isn't exactly Mahomes. Overall, I think the Bills offense was fine. They looked very good and different in a good way. Nice play calls, nice pace, diversity, and creative. Josh looked like Josh!!! I usually look at the negative side of things when it comes to the Bills. This time I find myself strongly gravitating to the positive. This was the first time since the Miami game that I feel this offense just might be able to carry the team. That's exciting to this fan. We have seen this happen before and the Bills almost always win the game. Kinda like the Sabres in that regard...they sometimes let the other team basically spend the entire 3rd period in their end defending a lead and it's completely nerve wracking at times, but since the start of last season the Sabres are undefeated in regulation when leading after 2 periods at 30-0-4. It might not always look pretty but it is effective and it's ultimately hard to argue with the end result, which is to win the game. 1 Quote
Marv Levy Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 42 minutes ago, K-9 said: When offensive holding occurs beyond the LOS, it’s a spot foul and marked 10 yards back from the spot of the infraction. In this case, the holding occurred two yards beyond the LOS resulting in the 1st and 18 down. Ahh. Got it now. Thanks K-9 👍 1 Quote
zow2 Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 Now we're going to be getting the blue/blue uniform for home games until they lose because these guys are ridiculously superstitious. Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, zow2 said: Now we're going to be getting the blue/blue uniform for home games until they lose because these guys are ridiculously superstitious. the white socks made a big difference 1 Quote
gordong Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 16 hours ago, Baba Booey said: I swear this staff coaches to lose! No lead is safe! It coaches not to lose, instead of coaching to win... big difference! Quote
Baba Booey Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 1 minute ago, gordong said: It coaches not to lose, instead of coaching to win... big difference! No..... they coach to lose!! Quote
RichRiderBills Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 6 hours ago, DasNootz said: I actually don't mind the 2pt conversion there on the road. If you make it, you have a chance to win in regulation. I believe historically 2pt conversions are hitting around 48%. Yeah so be bold and go for the 2 at the end. I think it's dumb. Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: former NFL WR Donte Stallworth claims the Bills D "executed the defense of the Hail Mary perfectly". But what the hell does he know? All I know is bodies were falling over each other everywhere. No wonder the ball hit nothing. Quote
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 https://x.com/Mike_Bundt/status/1717980177626505678?s=20 Quote
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: former NFL WR Donte Stallworth claims the Bills D "executed the defense of the Hail Mary perfectly". But what the hell does he know? It’s how every Hail Mary is defended…we were calling them stupid for not doing that on the hail Murray which wasn’t even a real Hail Mary 😂. The only way they’re calling a pi is if the ball is right on a receiver that’s getting held and the receiver can’t jump up to high point it due to the holding. it’s a play with a lot of receivers just standing around and you’re supposedly not allowed to box them out or impede the receivers moving around in the end zone? Edited October 27, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 1 hour ago, newcam2012 said: They scored right out the gate in the second half. I think you have to put what you are saying in proper perspective. Yes it's true about not scoring in the four drives. The Bills were up 14 points. The Tampa offense didn't feel scary or dynamic. The 14 point lead pretty much felt insurmountable so long as the Bills didn't turn over the ball. I was satisfied with the Bills killing the clock and not taking unnecessary chances. I absolutely wanted them to punt on the two 4th and short opportunities. Ideally, you want to close out these games. At the same time, I was fine with not turning over the ball, punting , and seeing if Tampa could score two TDs. I really never felt like they would be successful. It got very scary but so many fluke things happened to get Tampa in that position. I doubt you see so many weird bounces, bad calls, or horrific penalties like that in a long time. The Bills were at home, up 14 points, vs a pretty poor offense, and Baker Mayfield isn't exactly Mahomes. Overall, I think the Bills offense was fine. They looked very good and different in a good way. Nice play calls, nice pace, diversity, and creative. Josh looked like Josh!!! I usually look at the negative side of things when it comes to the Bills. This time I find myself strongly gravitating to the positive. This was the first time since the Miami game that I feel this offense just might be able to carry the team. That's exciting to this fan. 14 points is not a safe lead in this league nowadays. Need to be at least 3 scores up with 4-5min left before you can breathe easy. Great they scored out of the gate to start the second half. Otherwise we lose. Would have been nice to get into FG range any time after that is all I'm sayin. Quote
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