Rumors swirling that Elam will be a scratch tonight for Norman. Trade coming?

[Dillenger4]

8 minutes ago, balln said:

Isabella makes no sense? Are they sitting harty ? 
 

should I get my dumpster and lighter now ….. or after the game?

Isabella makes 100% perfect sense. As soon as Knox went down and Morris is out - we need a guy to run the 12. Isabella is big and will fit that role for tonight.

[msw2112]

2 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

Dallas swapped 2nd round cb bust kelvin joseph to miami for their 1st round cb bust Noah Igbinoghene.

 

I imagine that is the type of deal that can happen if they were to trade elam at some point.

 

This concept reminds me of the Kelvin Sheppard for Jerry Hughes trade, which worked out very well for the Bills.

 

And when I originally wrote this, I failed to see that both trades involved a player named Kelvin!  I was just thinking of a swap of highly-drafted players who didn't work out for their original teams.

Edited October 26, 2023 by msw2112

[CNYfan]

Josh Norman..... what the heck?  How can this be?

[Dillenger4]

6 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

Isabella makes 100% perfect sense. As soon as Knox went down and Morris is out - we need a guy to run the 12. Isabella is big and will fit that role for tonight.

Oops - I meant Shorter. nevermind.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Beane's philosophy with 1st round picks has pretty much always been to take big swings at supremely physically gifted athletes and trust that his coaching staff will develop them into quality pros.

Sometimes it works: Josh Allen, Greg Rousseau

Sometimes it doesn't: Tremaine Edmunds, Kaiir Elam

 

No team hits on 100% of their 1st round draft picks. No one. 

Yes, the Elam pick was a whiff. No, there's no spinning it any other way. But no, it doesn't need to be some huge indictment on the GM or the coaches. Sometimes, players bust. It happens. It's part of football.

Beane and the coaching staff helped limit the pain of the Elam pick by finding, drafting, and developing Christian Benford. Yes, you'd rather that the Elam pick had hit as well, but it didn't. That's life. That's the draft. Let's not turn simple arithmetic into complex algebra. You win some, you lose some.

 

The pick of Elam bothers me a lot less than the handling of him.

[Beast]

If they do that and lose tonight because of poor CB play, yes…trade McDermott and Beane right the ***** out of town.

[Process]

Just now, Beast said:

If they do that and lose tonight because of poor CB play, yes…trade McDermott and Beane right the ***** out of town.

Barring injury Benford and Jackson will play 100% of snaps. Very unlikely he sees the field. 

 

Whole thing is still ridiculous.

[Captain_Quint]

3 hours ago, Norcalbillsfan said:

Elam played beane and mcd with his notebook during the draft. Mcd falls in love with hard working blue collar players, and Elam pulling out that notebook during the interview played mcd right into a 1st round panic pick.

Especially because this was all that was in it:

[BillsFanForever19]

He has to be on the market. As bad as he's been with us, no way you make him a healthy scratch for Josh Norman this soon after signing him unless you're trying to keep Elam healthy.

 

Elam never made sense from Day 1. He had high potential coming out of College, but he was a man to man cover Corner pretty much exclusively. He was a projection as a Zone scheme player. 

[Buffalo03]

3 hours ago, Roundybout said:

Cover1 had it first, then saw this report that Josh Norman is gonna be activated tonight: 

 

https://x.com/thebillsguys/status/1717597828724531307?s=46&t=RLsRhQJBb5vROsgfJWkwSw

 

If it’s true you have to think that’s the end of Elam here. A colossal waste and I’m not really happy with how we handled him at all. 

You're not happy with how we handled him? Would you prefer he continue to be a liability on the field just to get playing time?

Edited October 26, 2023 by Buffalo03

[Draconator]

UPDATE!

 

I'm drinking

[Roundybout]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

You're not happy with how we handled him? Would you prefer he continue to be a liability on the field just to get playing time?

Im not happy that we drafted a guy with a very specific skill set, then did not adapt the defense to said skill set.

[taglientep]

3 minutes ago, Draconator said:

UPDATE!

 

I'm drinking

About to start myself….. whatcha drinkin 

[Draconator]

2 minutes ago, taglientep said:

About to start myself….. whatcha drinkin 

 

Vermont made Mythic gin. I'm fortunate to have a good friend who owns a liquor store. Found this gin on a recent trip to Vermont, and my friend ordered a case. 

[Buffalo03]

8 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Im not happy that we drafted a guy with a very specific skill set, then did not adapt the defense to said skill set.

You don't change an entire defensive philosophy over one CB. He was drafted because he was looked at as a fit for our defense. It didn't work out as he is not good enough. No GM drafts players that aren't supposed to already fit their system

Edited October 26, 2023 by Buffalo03

[Roundybout]

Just now, Buffalo03 said:

You don't change an entire defensive philosophy over one CB. He was drafted because he was look at as a fit for our defense. It didn't work out as he is not good enough. No GM drafts players that aren't supposed to already fit their system

A good coach adapts scheme to players, not the other way around. See: Ryan, Rex.

[Buffalo03]

5 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

A good coach adapts scheme to players, not the other way around. See: Ryan, Rex.

No, you set a system and you draft players that fit that system. You don't go drafting 3-4 players for a 4-3 system or vice versa. And then any player you draft or sign from that point on is supposed to be a system fit. You don't get a player that doesn't fit and then change everything to fit that one players skill set

Edited October 26, 2023 by Buffalo03

[Niagara Dude]

3 hours ago, Roundybout said:

Cover1 had it first, then saw this report that Josh Norman is gonna be activated tonight: 

 

https://x.com/thebillsguys/status/1717597828724531307?s=46&t=RLsRhQJBb5vROsgfJWkwSw

 

If it’s true you have to think that’s the end of Elam here. A colossal waste and I’m not really happy with how we handled him at all. 

Not sure if anyone mentioned Beanne trade at 4th rounder to move up 2 spots to draft this guy and now this.  I this pick along with Cody Ford and Basham pick are 3 of his worse picks and giving Knox 14-15 mllion a season starting 2024 one his worse signings.  Beane and his little buddy McDermott have really overcome some really bad choices and events.  I think Beane needs to make a couple of deals using picks outside of our first to add one offensive player and one defensive player. 

 

Just making the playoffs with a top 3-4 NFL QB is an expected thing not an accomplishment.  Fans forget during the draught of not making the playoffs,  not one of those HC/GM'S had a even a top 5-8 QB running the team.  

 

So that excuse needs to stop,  either they produce or one of the two needs to be fired.  Same low football IQ dude not mad on draft night for the Bills taking Cody Ford and over not drafting either WR Brown or Metcalf are going to be getting defensive after reading this. Sit down,  you were wrong on draft night and you're wrong today.

 

I hope Beane can prove me wrong and make a deal or two,  if not this season will end no better and maybe worse then last year.

43 minutes ago, Beast said:

If they do that and lose tonight because of poor CB play, yes…trade McDermott and Beane right the ***** out of town.

But But But But they ended the playoff draught and earned the right to never be questioned.  They have jobs for life for some fans

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Every GM misses on even high draft picks. 

Just stop calling Beane a genius. He's no better than any other average GM.

He wastes picks and he would be out of a job if Cleveland or NYJ took Allen. 

[finn]

3 hours ago, dpberr said:

Elam is this FO's worst pick to date because Elam excelled at man coverage in college.  

 

The risk that he would not develop into a zone corner was high from the moment he was selected.    I always felt the mistake was on the Bills for having the hubris that their coaching could transform him.  

 

 

My only hope (if they trade him) is they sell him as someone with a skill set that doesn't work for the Bills but would for another team.