Deshaun Watson: Trust Fund Baby (UPDATE: ~40% through Contract)

[mannc]

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

I guess the only real winner is Watson, who gets his money no matter what. 

Huge W for Houston, too.  The Watson trade turned them from a laughable doormat into an elite team.

[DrBob806]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

Well right now they've got terrible ownership. 

Well, one could argue they've had that since Art Modell bought the team in 1962. Modell ran Paul Brown out of town, schemed to get out of town, and also fired Belichick. Since their rebirth, it's possibly even worse (Lerner, Haslam). 

[cle23]

1 hour ago, Sweats said:

I honestly don't know how the Browns keep getting themselves in these messes.......you would think at least one person in their FO would recognize that the ship is sinking year in and year out with no land in sight. Just when you think the Browns have made the stupidest decision in franchise history, 10 minutes later, it's like, "hold my beer.......you thought that was stupid, wait till you see this one".

It's almost like a contest in their FO to see who can **** it up the most every season and the sad thing, it's always been this way with Cleveland.

 

Aye Carumba.

 

It's Haslam.  Andrew Berry is entirely analytics driven.  His goal is to gather picks, not part with them.  Even when he trades a pick away, it's either later round, or a pick swap with a player included too.  Like a 3rd for a player and a 4th.  Analytics say to gather as many picks as possible.  The more swings, the higher chance of a hit.  I can't see any situation that Berry traded all this picks for Watson without Haslam being involved and forcing the issue.  

 

Watson's ability is still there.  He just plays scared all the time now.  1 read and run, or 1 read and take a sack.  The only time the team moved the ball yesterday was when he was willing to throw the ball down the field a little.  

 

The Browns' line is in shambles, but they aren't the main problem.  For most of the 2nd half yesterday, because of injuries, the OLine was:

 

LG - C - C - RG - RT     and even then, they were rotating at RT, and their RG is a rookie, though he actually played very well.

 

 

[Sweats]

3 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

It's Haslam.  Andrew Berry is entirely analytics driven.  His goal is to gather picks, not part with them.  Even when he trades a pick away, it's either later round, or a pick swap with a player included too.  Like a 3rd for a player and a 4th.  Analytics say to gather as many picks as possible.  The more swings, the higher chance of a hit.  I can't see any situation that Berry traded all this picks for Watson without Haslam being involved and forcing the issue.  

 

Watson's ability is still there.  He just plays scared all the time now.  1 read and run, or 1 read and take a sack.  The only time the team moved the ball yesterday was when he was willing to throw the ball down the field a little.  

 

The Browns' line is in shambles, but they aren't the main problem.  For most of the 2nd half yesterday, because of injuries, the OLine was:

 

LG - C - C - RG - RT     and even then, they were rotating at RT, and their RG is a rookie, though he actually played very well.

 

 

 

 

 

Parts of the game that i watched yesterday, Watson looked like an ole noodle arm, trying to heave a 12 pound salami downfield......he had a few flashes where he kind of looked adequate, but for the most part i saw absolute futile failure.

[cle23]

On 9/12/2024 at 6:02 PM, Beast said:

Screw Browns fans. They supported that jackass regarding his dozens of other allegations. The ONLY reason they are backing away from him now is because his play has sucked.

 

That's not true, at all.  Most didn't like the trade.  I didn't.  Sure, some were excited, but most root for him only in the sense that it helps the team.  Essentially rooting against him is to hope your own team loses.  

Just now, Sweats said:

 

 

 

Parts of the game that i watched yesterday, Watson looked like an ole noodle arm, trying to heave a 12 pound salami downfield......he had a few flashes where he kind of looked adequate, but for the most part i saw absolute futile failure.

 

I think most of that is his lack of conviction.  He can't just let the ball loose.  Most throws are 3-5 yards, and even then, he holds the ball as long as possible before throwing it.  The quick passes can work, but you have to get the ball out quick and give the receivers a chance to do something with it.  He had a 5 yard completion yesterday, where the guy was wide open the entire time, but by the time he threw it, the receiver got blasted as soon as he caught by a guy that started 10 yards away, or more.

[TheFunPolice]

20 minutes ago, mannc said:

Huge W for Houston, too.  The Watson trade turned them from a laughable doormat into an elite team.

 

Great point! They solved an enormous headache, got a ton of draft capital, and hit on the picks. 

 

they might be the biggest winners on second thought, because unlike Watson they have all positive vibes on top of it

[mannc]

1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

Great point! They solved an enormous headache, got a ton of draft capital, and hit on the picks. 

 

they might be the biggest winners on second thought, because unlike Watson they have all positive vibes on top of it

Yeah, it amazing the haul Houston got for a guy who was never going to play for them again.

[Captain Hindsight]

39 minutes ago, mannc said:

Huge W for Houston, too.  The Watson trade turned them from a laughable doormat into an elite team.

Eh. Houston is not an elite team. They have had their share of absolute stinkers the last two years. Notable loses include the Jets and Panthers last season. They got blown out yesterday. Talented? Yes. Ascending? Yeah, but they are not elite yet. I think the Chiefs, Bills, Niners, even Baltimore and Cinci blow the doors off them 

[mannc]

7 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Eh. Houston is not an elite team. They have had their share of absolute stinkers the last two years. Notable loses include the Jets and Panthers last season. They got blown out yesterday. Talented? Yes. Ascending? Yeah, but they are not elite yet. I think the Chiefs, Bills, Niners, even Baltimore and Cinci blow the doors off them 

They had a bad game yesterday against an underrated Vikings team, but the Texans are one of the top 4 AFC teams.  Go check the Vegas odds if you don’t believe me.

[Bill from NYC]

Deshaun is probably an example of a player who is no longer hungry. 

 

I am of the opinion that not every player who is in their twenties and riding around in a Porsche with a million cash in his pocket will be hungry enough to play professional football. Watson was great at Clemson. Dabo still talks about him. Some players that have this much money seem to lose their motivation. 

 

I'm not judging them either. Put me in that position at that age and I would rather not be sacked by Von Miller or some human missle safety on a blitz. I also would not want to take a punch from Mike Tyson. Nope, I'm sure that in my twenties I would rather hang out til all hours, party with the hottest women on the planet, and wake up when I feel like it. 

 

My guess is that plenty of teams are going to eat tons of cap space in the future after getting stuck with players who are rich and no longer care, especially given the size of these QB contracts. Dak Prescott might make more money per year than some owners. 

 

 

 

 

[Captain Hindsight]

48 minutes ago, mannc said:

They had a bad game yesterday against an underrated Vikings team, but the Texans are one of the top 4 AFC teams.  Go check the Vegas odds if you don’t believe me.

Yeah, I've seen the Vegas odds. My opinion is they are not an elite team. I see a good team, that played a 4th place schedule last year and barely made the playoffs in a bad division.  The Vikes look legit and they absolutely demolished them yesterday. I expect them to win their division again, but that says far more about the state of their division than anything.

 

JMO of course. I can't picture that team coming to Buffalo or KC or Baltimore and walking away a winner in January. Last year they went to Baltimore and lost by 21. They might get to be an elite team, but IMO they are not there 

[Beast]

2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Deshaun is probably an example of a player who is no longer hungry. 

 

I am of the opinion that not every player who is in their twenties and riding around in a Porsche with a million cash in his pocket will be hungry enough to play professional football. Watson was great at Clemson. Dabo still talks about him. Some players that have this much money seem to lose their motivation. 

 

I'm not judging them either. Put me in that position at that age and I would rather not be sacked by Von Miller or some human missle safety on a blitz. I also would not want to take a punch from Mike Tyson. Nope, I'm sure that in my twenties I would rather hang out til all hours, party with the hottest women on the planet, and wake up when I feel like it. 

 

My guess is that plenty of teams are going to eat tons of cap space in the future after getting stuck with players who are rich and no longer care, especially given the size of these QB contracts. Dak Prescott might make more money per year than some owners. 

 

 

 

 

I hear what you’re saying but I’ll judge the ***** out of him. If someone is paying you what he’s getting, get over whatever you are or aren’t feeling and live up to your end of the bargain.

[Freddie's Dead]

7 hours ago, TBBills Fan said:

He looks washed and mentally checked out. 

 

They need to see what they got with jameis

 

With Rapeis, they have another sexual assaulter, they're good to go.

 

3 hours ago, cle23 said:

I think most of that is his lack of conviction. 

 

This^^^^^^^. POShaun not being convicted and in jail for sexual assault is his biggest problem. 

Edited September 23 by Freddie's Dead

[Bill from NYC]

14 hours ago, Beast said:

I hear what you’re saying but I’ll judge the ***** out of him. If someone is paying you what he’s getting, get over whatever you are or aren’t feeling and live up to your end of the bargain.

And I hear what you are saying but imo, scenes like this will only increase. Now, college players are driving around in Porsches. Many players will not let it affect them but I think that an increasing number of them will go wild with all of that money. Some of these kids will make more in college than I made in my entire life, and I'm not starving. But ya know, good for them. Many of them will spend the rest of their lives in pain, and they are super talented people. 

 

I tend to forsee many more problems like Dashaun down the road, but this could also be me being pessimistic.

Edited September 24 by Bill from NYC

[Niagara Bill]

21 hours ago, BrooklynBills said:

 

Dak's contract has functional GTDs of 231M (out of 240M total for the contract) but almost half of that is just guaranteeing his salary from year to year. He was only GTD 129M at signing. If he turns into a complete pumpkin (unlikely), there's a practical out in 2028 where he only costs 34M in dead cap but they could even still cut him in 2026 taking on a 62M dead cap

 

Watson's contract was fully GTD at signing meaning they owe him the 231M no matter what and his dead cap number in 2026 (the last year of his contract BTW) is still 99M. Its just structured in a way that they cannot really cut him (unless the new suspension/charges/accusations voids his GTD salaries). Even if his future salaries are voided, he would still be a dead cap of 80M next year if they cut him based on bonuses already paid.

80m would be worth it...the fans would support it to get rid of that POS.

Then if the owner stepped aside...even better.

The NFL should give the equivalent dollars to women's groups as an apology for allowing this transaction in the first place.

My guess is that a payoff from one owner to another happened to hide the real truth.

[dave mcbride]

"Should the Browns cut Watson after this season, his dead cap charge would total $172 million, according to Over the Cap (https://overthecap.com/player/deshaun-watson/5596). If the Browns took this on, they couldn’t roster an entire team of players—not even on minimum-salary deals."

 

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/9/26/24254717/cleveland-browns-deshaun-watson-gambit-has-failed

 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

"Should the Browns cut Watson after this season, his dead cap charge would total $172 million, according to Over the Cap (https://overthecap.com/player/deshaun-watson/5596). If the Browns took this on, they couldn’t roster an entire team of players—not even on minimum-salary deals."

 

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/9/26/24254717/cleveland-browns-deshaun-watson-gambit-has-failed

 

 

The guaranteed money goes away I believe if Watson runs into trouble again....that doesn't include the cap ramifications though right?

 

A thought is entering my mind that Haslam is going to pay some attractive women a lot of money to get into an "incident" with Watson.

[DrDawkinstein]

Shameless self promotion but we;ve been laughing at Haslam and monitoring the situation here:

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

"Should the Browns cut Watson after this season, his dead cap charge would total $172 million, according to Over the Cap (https://overthecap.com/player/deshaun-watson/5596). If the Browns took this on, they couldn’t roster an entire team of players—not even on minimum-salary deals."

 

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/9/26/24254717/cleveland-browns-deshaun-watson-gambit-has-failed

 

 

Funnier still - the cap hit next year is 73M each of the next 2 years, he has a full no trade clause (so you couldn't even trade his base salary away with a high pick(s) to buy cap space like the osweiler deal), and the only way to lessen the cap burden is to convert to bonus and push it out essentially extending him.  They already have a 2027 hit of 27M for him to not play there.  https://overthecap.com/player/deshaun-watson/5596

 

Cooper, Wills and Chubb are free agents.  Coopers void cap number is 22.5M for 2024, only way to manage it is to give him a contract but he has no benefit in signing it.  You can tag chubb as RBs are usually affordable, but he probably won't play after missing time already, and you have no cap space so signing players will be a problem if you do that.  Wills they picked up his 5th year option and restructured it for space, so they also need to extend him if they want to lessen the restructure cap burden.  It's a mess over there.  Oh and they extended the GM and HC so... heads probably don't even roll over there.  

Edited September 27 by Bleeding Bills Blue

[Warcodered]

23 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Funnier still - the cap hit next year is 73M each of the next 2 years, he has a full no trade clause (so you couldn't even trade his base salary away with a high pick(s) to buy cap space like the osweiler deal), and the only way to lessen the cap burden is to convert to bonus and push it out essentially extending him.  They already have a 2027 hit of 27M for him to not play there.  https://overthecap.com/player/deshaun-watson/5596

 

Cooper, Wills and Chubb are free agents.  Coopers void cap number is 22.5M for 2024, only way to manage it is to give him a contract but he has no benefit in signing it.  You can tag chubb as RBs are usually affordable, but he probably won't play after missing time already, and you have no cap space so signing players will be a problem if you do that.  Wills they picked up his 5th year option and restructured it for space, so they also need to extend him if they want to lessen the restructure cap burden.  It's a mess over there.  Oh and they extended the GM and HC so... heads probably don't even roll over there.  

I wouldn't be surprised if given the opportunity players leave that team like it has the plague. Tying that much money to that guy and playing like this it must be miserable.