BarleyNY Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 (edited) Got a few morsels of info: - Watson pursuit was led by Haslam and Depodesta - League is looking to hammer him on recent accusation, expect another suspension - Browns were unaware of recent accusation when signing him - A suspension will give the Browns the ability to void his unpaid guaranteed money and cut him, but it’s still gonna hurt from a cap standpoint due to dead money Edited September 11 by BarleyNY 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 On 9/10/2024 at 1:17 PM, Ballhawk said: After that contract went south I didn't think we'd see so much guaranteed money for QB's, then I just saw Dak's contract which is basically all guaranteed. Admittedly he's not the same risk, but still... seems like a risky way to do business. I always found it odd that contracts weren’t 100% guaranteed in the NFL. Other than a punishing buyout, the NHL has fully guaranteed deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballhawk Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 On 9/10/2024 at 4:21 PM, H2o said: Which truly makes me smile, to see Mayfield having a resurgence of sorts and Watson's play fall off a cliff. It's inconceivable to me that Watson, with as much promise as he had coming out of Houston, could tank his career the way he has since joining Cleveland. At first, I too was happy that their desperation trade (that ignored some serious red flags) blew up in their face, but now some part of me feels bad for Browns fans. I can't help but feel a certain kinship with fanbases that have been exposed to long-term suffering... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballhawk Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 19 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said: I always found it odd that contracts weren’t 100% guaranteed in the NFL. Other than a punishing buyout, the NHL has fully guaranteed deals. It is odd. What I find odd however, is that teams would undermine a precedent the NFL has worked hard to maintain. I always assumed there was some collusion on the part of GMs and owner's to maintain low-risk contracts in the arguably the highest injury laden sport. Guess winning at all costs makes some teams desperate enough to break ranks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 On 9/10/2024 at 2:03 PM, mannc said: Hell, it would have been in the Browns’ interest to set up a sting operation. Dude, this is not a wild opinion. I could see this legitimately happening. There is so much money on the line with this Watson contract that I would not be surprised if this actually happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: Dude, this is not a wild opinion. I could see this legitimately happening. There is so much money on the line with this Watson contract that I would not be surprised if this actually happened. Haslam isn’t above doing something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 21 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said: I always found it odd that contracts weren’t 100% guaranteed in the NFL. Other than a punishing buyout, the NHL has fully guaranteed deals. I think its the sheer volume of players that makes it challenging to do it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 21 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said: I always found it odd that contracts weren’t 100% guaranteed in the NFL. Other than a punishing buyout, the NHL has fully guaranteed deals. NFL gives out signing bonus money instead. NBA and MLB deals are fully guaranteed but there is no up front money. That's why guys want new deals in the NFL. That's where they get actual money paid. The late years in a NFL contract are usually funny numbers that will never be paid and just used to decrease the annual cap hit of the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 💀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 2 hours ago, Ballhawk said: It's inconceivable to me that Watson, with as much promise as he had coming out of Houston, could tank his career the way he has since joining Cleveland. At first, I too was happy that their desperation trade (that ignored some serious red flags) blew up in their face, but now some part of me feels bad for Browns fans. I can't help but feel a certain kinship with fanbases that have been exposed to long-term suffering... I feel bad for the fans because they didn't ask for this. But I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for Haslam and anyone else who had a hand in this move within the Browns organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 7 minutes ago, H2o said: and anyone else who had a hand in this move 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 57 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 💀 I would run through a wall for him after that speech. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxum Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 43 minutes ago, H2o said: I feel bad for the fans because they didn't ask for this. But I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for Haslam and anyone else who had a hand in this move within the Browns organization. And what about the teams who were part of the bidding process and were "losing bidders? What a relief it must be if they still are working for those franchises! https://deadspin.com/nfl-teams-chomping-at-the-bit-to-sign-deshaun-watson-1848646118/ Quote In that story, it was revealed that multiple teams are prepared to alienate segments of their fanbases because they’re trying to replace a departed QB, are too incompetent to find a QB, or couldn’t keep the QB they had happy. Seattle, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Indianapolis, and Cleveland have all shown interest in acquiring Watson. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty shackleford Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 49 minutes ago, H2o said: I feel bad for the fans because they didn't ask for this. But I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for Haslam and anyone else who had a hand in this move within the Browns organization. Sometimes as fans, you just have to deal with the hand you've been dealt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 54 minutes ago, H2o said: I feel bad for the fans because they didn't ask for this. But I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for Haslam and anyone else who had a hand in this move within the Browns organization. no but they seemed pretty excited and welcoming of it when they thought they were getting a HoF qb. I seen many browns fans trying to act like Watson did nothing wrong and defending him on twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 23 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said: I always found it odd that contracts weren’t 100% guaranteed in the NFL. Other than a punishing buyout, the NHL has fully guaranteed deals. The NFLPA is the weakest of the players’ unions in major league sports. MLB has had the strongest. NFL owners have fought tooth and nail to limit contract guarantees, keep fifth year options for first round picks and keep franchise and transition tags in play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ballhawk said: It's inconceivable to me that Watson, with as much promise as he had coming out of Houston, could tank his career the way he has since joining Cleveland. At first, I too was happy that their desperation trade (that ignored some serious red flags) blew up in their face, but now some part of me feels bad for Browns fans. I can't help but feel a certain kinship with fanbases that have been exposed to long-term suffering... Screw Browns fans. They supported that jackass regarding his dozens of other allegations. The ONLY reason they are backing away from him now is because his play has sucked. Edited September 12 by Beast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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