dave mcbride Posted September 27 Posted September 27 30 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: Funnier still - the cap hit next year is 73M each of the next 2 years, he has a full no trade clause (so you couldn't even trade his base salary away with a high pick(s) to buy cap space like the osweiler deal), and the only way to lessen the cap burden is to convert to bonus and push it out essentially extending him. They already have a 2027 hit of 27M for him to not play there. https://overthecap.com/player/deshaun-watson/5596 Cooper, Wills and Chubb are free agents. Coopers void cap number is 22.5M for 2024, only way to manage it is to give him a contract but he has no benefit in signing it. You can tag chubb as RBs are usually affordable, but he probably won't play after missing time already, and you have no cap space so signing players will be a problem if you do that. Wills they picked up his 5th year option and restructured it for space, so they also need to extend him if they want to lessen the restructure cap burden. It's a mess over there. Oh and they extended the GM and HC so... heads probably don't even roll over there. That IS funny, but I'm not sure it's funnier than the prospect of cutting the starting QB only to learn that you can't field a team of 53 players on minimum-salary contracts! 1 1 1 Quote
Saxum Posted September 27 Posted September 27 I wonder what happens if they cannot get under cap - does NFL foreclose? Quote
ToGoGo Posted September 27 Posted September 27 On 9/23/2024 at 2:13 PM, Bill from NYC said: Deshaun is probably an example of a player who is no longer hungry. I am of the opinion that not every player who is in their twenties and riding around in a Porsche with a million cash in his pocket will be hungry enough to play professional football. Watson was great at Clemson. Dabo still talks about him. Some players that have this much money seem to lose their motivation. I'm not judging them either. Put me in that position at that age and I would rather not be sacked by Von Miller or some human missle safety on a blitz. I also would not want to take a punch from Mike Tyson. Nope, I'm sure that in my twenties I would rather hang out til all hours, party with the hottest women on the planet, and wake up when I feel like it. My guess is that plenty of teams are going to eat tons of cap space in the future after getting stuck with players who are rich and no longer care, especially given the size of these QB contracts. Dak Prescott might make more money per year than some owners. The whole scandal may have broken him mentally. I read his Twitter burner account and it reads like somebody who cannot handle anymore criticism and is overcorrecting in terms of believing in his own abilities. He seems to be mentally stuck in 2019/2020 in order to psychologically deal with what he's gone through. Money is great, but the wealthy have mental issues of their own. It's not easy when you go from being most loved to most hated. Some can push through, most can't. 2 Quote
Warcodered Posted September 27 Posted September 27 6 minutes ago, Saxum said: I wonder what happens if they cannot get under cap - does NFL foreclose? Do they flush? Quote
Saxum Posted September 27 Posted September 27 13 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Do they flush? I am guessing they would take away team, get a new buyer who would be required to stay in Cleveland, veteran players would be released, Browns would get extra picks in draft and expansion draft as well with teams being able to protect players as they did when Carolina came into league. Quote
Scott7975 Posted September 27 Posted September 27 On 9/24/2024 at 6:53 AM, Bill from NYC said: And I hear what you are saying but imo, scenes like this will only increase. Now, college players are driving around in Porsches. Many players will not let it affect them but I think that an increasing number of them will go wild with all of that money. Some of these kids will make more in college than I made in my entire life, and I'm not starving. But ya know, good for them. Many of them will spend the rest of their lives in pain, and they are super talented people. I tend to forsee many more problems like Dashaun down the road, but this could also be me being pessimistic. I dont watch college ball, but I heard on the radio that some college QB is getting like 8mil. Thats more than like Purdy makes. I mean good for them getting money. I always thought they should be able to get something. They need to cap that stuff though. Now its gonna be all about what college can pay you and it'll probably screw up the competitiveness. I guess to an extent that was already true. Just not with this kind of money. 1 Quote
PetermansRedemption Posted September 27 Posted September 27 23 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: I dont watch college ball, but I heard on the radio that some college QB is getting like 8mil. Thats more than like Purdy makes. I mean good for them getting money. I always thought they should be able to get something. They need to cap that stuff though. Now its gonna be all about what college can pay you and it'll probably screw up the competitiveness. I guess to an extent that was already true. Just not with this kind of money. I thought college athletes should be paid, but I don’t believe they should get the absurd money they are receiving now. Outside sponsorships can wait until after your college career. I believe the college themselves should have a flat rate salary for their athletes, something around 60-100k per year. Enough to live comfortably and be compensated for your hours of practice and training. 1 Quote
H2o Posted September 27 Posted September 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, PetermansRedemption said: I thought college athletes should be paid, but I don’t believe they should get the absurd money they are receiving now. Outside sponsorships can wait until after your college career. I believe the college themselves should have a flat rate salary for their athletes, something around 60-100k per year. Enough to live comfortably and be compensated for your hours of practice and training. I mean, that's cool and all, but not every kid is going pro. For them to maximize what might be their entire possible earnings shouldn't be hindered, especially when the NCAA has made billions of $$$ off of it's players. Let them get every cent they can. Edited September 27 by H2o 1 Quote
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 27 Posted September 27 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: That IS funny, but I'm not sure it's funnier than the prospect of cutting the starting QB only to learn that you can't field a team of 53 players on minimum-salary contracts! It's just a funny little mess they made 🙂 1 Quote
Saxum Posted September 28 Posted September 28 5 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: It's just a funny little mess they made 🙂 This will make every team, even a team like Bills, think thrice about fully guaranteeing a multi-year contract especially a QB one. Quote
Billy Claude Posted September 28 Posted September 28 19 hours ago, Saxum said: I wonder what happens if they cannot get under cap - does NFL foreclose? According to Wikipedia, teams can be fined, lose draft picks and/or have contracts cancelled, though cancelling Watson's contract would hardly be a penalty. Quote
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 28 Posted September 28 LATEST UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMOUR: Watson's agent looking to reopen his contract. Looking for a substantial boost in money. Haslam willing to discuss. 2 Quote
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted September 28 Posted September 28 On 9/23/2024 at 1:13 PM, mannc said: Huge W for Houston, too. The Watson trade turned them from a laughable doormat into an elite team. I don’t think the Texans are elite. They are definitely a top 10 team, but not in the category of the Bills, Ravens, 49ers, or Chiefs. Getting destroyed by Sam Darnold and the Vikings certainly didn’t help my opinion. Quote
mannc Posted September 28 Posted September 28 53 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: I don’t think the Texans are elite. They are definitely a top 10 team, but not in the category of the Bills, Ravens, 49ers, or Chiefs. Getting destroyed by Sam Darnold and the Vikings certainly didn’t help my opinion. Whatever. They went from worst team in the league to a playoff team, on the back of the Watson deal. Quote
Captain Hindsight Posted September 28 Posted September 28 47 minutes ago, mannc said: Whatever. They went from worst team in the league to a playoff team, on the back of the Watson deal. That doesn’t make them elite though. They went up against an elite team in the playoffs and lost by 3 TDs. We will see next week how they perform against a team that has been elite for a few years now. Quote
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted September 28 Posted September 28 56 minutes ago, mannc said: Whatever. They went from worst team in the league to a playoff team, on the back of the Watson deal. It’s a very impressive turn around, but I just can’t feed into the Texans hype. How do you let Sam Darnold and the Vikings drop 34 on you and yet only put up 7 points in return? Especially w/ all that talent on their offense. I think Stroud is going to have a bit of a sophomore slump. You also have to expect some Diggs’ drama if they lose more games like this. Elite? I just don’t see it. They are not a complete enough team. 1 Quote
mannc Posted September 28 Posted September 28 6 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: It’s a very impressive turn around, but I just can’t feed into the Texans hype. How do you let Sam Darnold and the Vikings drop 34 on you and yet only put up 7 points in return? Especially w/ all that talent on their offense. I think Stroud is going to have a bit of a sophomore slump. You also have to expect some Diggs’ drama if they lose more games like this. Elite? I just don’t see it. They are not a complete enough team. In the NFL, it can be dangerous to draw a lot of conclusions from one game. The Texans certainly have a lot of nice pieces. Quote
ToGoGo Posted September 28 Posted September 28 20 hours ago, H2o said: I mean, that's cool and all, but not every kid is going pro. For them to maximize what might be their entire possible earnings shouldn't be hindered, especially when the NCAA has made billions of $$$ off of it's players. Let them get every cent they can. They should get market value, no matter how insane that number is. It’s clearly what they’re worth. Otherwise that money goes to coaches, athletic directors, and subsidizing goofy college sports. Quote
f0neguy Posted September 28 Posted September 28 Concerning the Texans.. Going from a last place to first place schedule is going to expose them for what they are. They’re a good team on the way up but nothing more. They’re not elite and I won’t be surprised if they don’t win their division. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted September 28 Posted September 28 (edited) On 9/27/2024 at 1:43 PM, PetermansRedemption said: I thought college athletes should be paid, but I don’t believe they should get the absurd money they are receiving now. Outside sponsorships can wait until after your college career. I believe the college themselves should have a flat rate salary for their athletes, something around 60-100k per year. Enough to live comfortably and be compensated for your hours of practice and training. It is definitely an unbalanced situation but college football players on scholarship already get close to $200,000 in a free education They get their housing paid for and they get meal plans Now , the argument has been that colleges make a lot of money off of them so they should get something in return.. which is fair But life isn't fair... They are called student athletes for a reason.. 99% Don't Go pro so focusing on your academics should be a big part of any college football player They will do anything to help you get your degree and get you the best job you can get... All while having your school paid for , your housing and food paid for, and being King of the Hill Even before nil schools like Alabama scholarship players would have $3,000 stipends a month... That's on top of their scholarship and Free housing and food Even UB players got a stipend.. even if it was $500 a month... That's along with everything else with your scholarship Edited September 28 by Buffalo716 1 Quote
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