NoSaint Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: It is definitely an unbalanced situation but college football players on scholarship already get close to $200,000 in a free education They get their housing paid for and they get meal plans Now , the argument has been that colleges make a lot of money off of them so they should get something in return.. which is fair But life isn't fair... They are called student athletes for a reason.. 99% Don't Go pro so focusing on your academics should be a big part of any college football player They will do anything to help you get your degree and get you the best job you can get... All while having your school paid for , your housing and food paid for, and being King of the Hill Even before nil schools like Alabama scholarship players would have $3,000 stipends a month... That's on top of their scholarship and Free housing and food Even UB players got a stipend.. even if it was $500 a month... That's along with everything else with your scholarship the answer still is and always should’ve been: if you want pay to be an entertainer go be a professional the idea that colleges have these just absurd arrangements attached and a for profit unaffiliated league couldn’t be reasonably offered is wild. I know the toothpaste is decades out of the tube but just remarkable how wild it’s gotten and will get when the obvious original answer is to give an alternative path for professional athletes outside of college settings and colleges remain academic settings Edited September 28 by NoSaint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 (edited) 55 minutes ago, NoSaint said: the answer still is and always should’ve been: if you want pay to be an entertainer go be a professional the idea that colleges have these just absurd arrangements attached and a for profit unaffiliated league couldn’t be reasonably offered is wild. I know the toothpaste is decades out of the tube but just remarkable how wild it’s gotten and will get when the obvious original answer is to give an alternative path for professional athletes outside of college settings and colleges remain academic settings The problem is the best path to the pros has always been division one football None of these Semi-Pro teams.. or amateur leagues or even potential future feeder leagues have the money and the infrastructure to develop 18 to 23-year-old kids into professional football players like these elite institutions that have been doing it for 100 years Ohio State and Georgia and Alabama and schools like that have better facilities than any NFL team.. they do... That's not to say NFL facilities like the bills aren't world class...they are... That just shows you how good the sec's facilities are and big tens So no independent or minor league system will ever have the hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars poured into their facilities like these major division 1 schools do They've been playing college football for 130 years some of these schools , some more... They are the pipeline It's not like professional baseball where kids can get drafted and developed into a minor league system or signed from other countries and developed through the minor leagues The minor leagues is division 1 football Edited September 28 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 1 hour ago, f0neguy said: Concerning the Texans.. Going from a last place to first place schedule is going to expose them for what they are. They’re a good team on the way up but nothing more. They’re not elite and I won’t be surprised if they don’t win their division. A combination of having a 1st place in their division schedule and said quality opponents having a year of tape on Stroud will definitely make this year tougher for them. Still I'm not sure what team in that division challenges them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 11 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: The problem is the best path to the pros has always been division one football None of these Semi-Pro teams.. or amateur leagues or even potential future feeder leagues have the money and the infrastructure to develop 18 to 23-year-old kids into professional football players like these elite institutions that have been doing it for 100 years Ohio State and Georgia and Alabama and schools like that have better facilities than any NFL team.. they do... That's not to say NFL facilities like the bills aren't world class...they are... That just shows you how good the sec's facilities are and big tens So no independent or minor league system will ever have the hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars poured into their facilities like these major division 1 schools do They've been playing college football for 130 years some of these schools , some more... They are the pipeline It's not like professional baseball where kids can get drafted and developed into a minor league system or signed from other countries and developed through the minor leagues The minor leagues is division 1 football I don't think @NoSaint is questioning that reality. He is just saying it is, as a system, strange. And if you were starting with a blank sheet of paper it is not the model you'd design. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 15 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: The problem is the best path to the pros has always been division one football None of these Semi-Pro teams.. or amateur leagues or even potential future feeder leagues have the money and the infrastructure to develop 18 to 23-year-old kids into professional football players like these elite institutions that have been doing it for 100 years Ohio State and Georgia and Alabama and schools like that have better facilities than any NFL team.. they do... That's not to say NFL facilities like the bills aren't world class...they are... That just shows you how good the sec's facilities are and big tens So no independent or minor league system will ever have the hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars poured into their facilities like these major division 1 schools do They've been playing college football for 130 years some of these schools , some more... They are the pipeline It's not like professional baseball where kids can get drafted and developed into a minor league system or signed from other countries and developed through the minor leagues The minor leagues is division 1 football im aware. It’s a house built on a broken foundation 100 years ago and as the money grew so did the disconnect between what we have vs what probably should be. I’m not saying there are easy left turns from here. The money is too big for colleges to step aside and the barriers to entry are pretty large for a new league. the closest alternative would have been instead of injecting NIL money, allowing kids to declare and let the nfl develop the ones chasing immediate pay days instead of education and reps playing the game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I don't think @NoSaint is questioning that reality. He is just saying it is, as a system, strange. And if you were starting with a blank sheet of paper it is not the model you'd design. yea to have a scientific research and education facility have a 10s of millions sports entertainment arm is kind of absurd and it shouldn’t shock anyone that the outgrowths of that are often messy and morally uncomfortable the top 50 or so D1 football programs and maybe top 25 men’s basketball just have too much money in them to be a university endeavor (thresholds thrown out there without much thought- just getting at the elite revenue generator teams in general) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 7 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I don't think @NoSaint is questioning that reality. He is just saying it is, as a system, strange. And if you were starting with a blank sheet of paper it is not the model you'd design. Definitely true It's just such a old system with a lot of tradition and billions of dollars involved I can't really see it going wayside If you had all the money in the world to restart the system from scratch right now.. it definitely wouldn't be built that way you're right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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