Diggs interview eludes to issue...

[BADOLBILZ]

30 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

So basically the issue is Dorsey? Got it. 

 

 

The issue with Dorsey is he needs to adapt to his QB being unprepared for what he was hoping for him to do this season.

 

Dorsey is calling the offense more like he has savvy veteran at QB and Allen just isn't at that level in the mental aspect of the game, unfortunately.

 

Running Josh more is a bad idea so I can't get behind that notion but the concept is right.........he would be better off just playing more to his style.......and uptempo and getting more time to read defenses and more chances to score seems to be the best way to utilize his talent.    

 

THAT is where Dorsey needs to get to.   Would be a lot easier if they had that WR2 but that ship might have sailed on this season.

 

A lot of the play calling that people are complaining about is on Allen because of bad pre and post snap decisions.    But, IMO,  Dorsey needs to acknowledge that and adjust to do his job better.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

14 hours ago, dma0034 said:

I'm at a point where I believe the Bills live and die by Allen so they might as well let him start calling plays. I think the Bills only hope to salvage the season is to go up tempo and just try and outscore every team.

This is what they should have done all along though. And they should have constructed the roster that way with lots of talent and explosiveness and depth at WR rather than trying to be perfect at every position on defense. I'm glad you're at that point now but you're about three years too late and Allen-Diggs window is being shut in our faces.

[ProcessTruster]

Diggs needs to realize teams are taking him out of the game with double coverage. 

 

He needs to accept the likely fact that he isn't getting 15 targets per game anymore but he is allowing the others to be single covered mismatches, on balance good for the team.

 

You don't get to be "debbie-diva-throw-me-the-ball dammit" .. when you are doubled the entire game.   

[Low Positive]

3 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

Diggs needs to realize teams are taking him out of the game with double coverage. 

 

He needs to accept the likely fact that he isn't getting 15 targets per game anymore but he is allowing the others to be single covered mismatches, on balance good for the team.

 

You don't get to be "debbie-diva-throw-me-the-ball dammit" .. when you are doubled the entire game.   

THis might as well be Diggs

 

[dma0034]

31 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

This is what they should have done all along though. And they should have constructed the roster that way with lots of talent and explosiveness and depth at WR rather than trying to be perfect at every position on defense. I'm glad you're at that point now but you're about three years too late and Allen-Diggs window is being shut in our faces.

 

I mean the major difference is the Bills defense has been stout the last few years and the beginning lf this year. So when you walk into a game against the Jets or Patriots you could say play it safe: no turnovers, more rushing etc etc. Now? I think you go in saying you live with the turnovers because you can't trust the Defense at all.

[Paup 1995MVP]

9 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

I've said it in the past. Josh seems to play better when he is at the line with 18 seconds or more. Allows him to time to see the D better.  He seems more in control of the O when this happens. Also, when your at 10 or less, the D knows it's getting snapped quickly. No time for Josh or Morse to adjust if needed. Allows the D to T off.

 

I also think Josh is a little better playing it more backyard or offscript. Dorsey’s play calling may be long or too structured. Plus he seems like a control freak. You can't control Josh or Diggs, you gotta just let them be themselves and let them play.

If things continue to spiral downward, I think Diggs will implode and definitely want out after this season.  I don't think he is a McDermott fan.  We still don't know what happened at Mini Camp when he left for a day after talking w McDermott.  

 

I am sure Diggs would love to play for an offensive minded head coach.  I am sure he likes Josh.  But he is a smart guy.  Been in the league for 9 years now.  He knows how offenses work.  You don't think he sees what KC has done w Andy Reid, Mahomes and Kelce.  He is our Kelce.  Josh is our Mahomes.  And the missing piece is.....

[Mango]

2 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

THis might as well be Diggs

 

This situation sucks. Burrow is clearly injured and Chase is out here whining. I’ve been hard on Diggs about a few incidents, but I think this is waaay worse. 
 

He has a stud QB whose clearly not 100% and he’s kicking him while he’s down. 

[Wayne Arnold]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

The issue with Dorsey is he needs to adapt to his QB being unprepared for what he was hoping for him to do this season.

 

Dorsey is calling the offense more like he has savvy veteran at QB and Allen just isn't at that level in the mental aspect of the game, unfortunately.

 

A lot of the play calling that people are complaining about is on Allen because of bad pre and post snap decisions.    But, IMO,  Dorsey needs to acknowledge that and adjust to do his job better.

 

Why not?

 

I can count 258,000,000 reasons why Allen is the one who needs to adjust and do his job better.

[LyndonvilleBill]

25 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

If things continue to spiral downward, I think Diggs will implode and definitely want out after this season.  I don't think he is a McDermott fan.  We still don't know what happened at Mini Camp when he left for a day after talking w McDermott.  

 

I am sure Diggs would love to play for an offensive minded head coach.  I am sure he likes Josh.  But he is a smart guy.  Been in the league for 9 years now.  He knows how offenses work.  You don't think he sees what KC has done w Andy Reid, Mahomes and Kelce.  He is our Kelce.  Josh is our Mahomes.  And the missing piece is.....

I don't get into the he said/she said stuff. Whatever people want to believe is on them. I think that whole thing was overblown and a bunch of garbage. OMG, he left for a day!! The world is coming to an end!! LOL!! 

 

Diggs will be fine as long as we start winning again (which will start on Thursday 😉). I don't think he is a Diva like some others do. He's a smart guy and knows how good he is with Allen throwing the ball. 

 

Lastly, It doesn't have to be an offensive minded HC. I think Diggs would be fine with an OC worthy of the job. I've lost faith that Dorsey is that guy. His boring play calls and hand me down playbook is the issue. After 1 1/2 years, you would think there would be some "Original" plays, not plays originally from Daboll...If your going to use Daboll's playbook,  at least use the Good Ones!! 😂

[BillsfaninCT]

5 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

been through what?  i feel like i missed something

achievement addiction.  instead of a drug high, you get achievement high.  Based on my experience with achievement addiction, low-positive is a management tool we're taught to cover an expansive range of emotions and to reframe or change our mindsets.  As he said, it also helps to manager heart rate, your ability to think, and stay out of adrenaline clouded reactions.  I am by no means claiming to be a franchise QB with that kind of value but I didn't realize my addictive tendencies could be an issue with achievement.  typically achievement and addiction wouldn't be combined in a sentence and result in therapy but it has helped me tremendously.

 

I'm also not diagnosing or saying Josh has achievement addiction, it's a term that was used in my case and seems relevant to the conversation or whatever is going on shared some similarities.

Edited October 25, 2023 by BillsfaninCT

[BADOLBILZ]

6 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Why not?

 

I can count 258,000,000 reasons why Allen is the one who needs to adjust and do his job better.

 

 

Because coaches need adapt to the talent they have.    Those $258M are why Allen can prepare for the season as much or as little as he wants.

[Brand J]

6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Because coaches need adapt to the talent they have.    Those $258M are why Allen can prepare for the season as much or as little as he wants.

Im with Wayne on this. You have a 6 year veteran superstar QB who’s not executing the most basic of reads. What can Dorsey do to compensate for that? Call a high percentage of rushes and screen passes? What eventually happens to offensive coordinators who are forced to work with a subpar QB? Allen isn’t subpar, but he’s playing that way at times. Forget about what the money affords him, this is more on him to execute what’s there than it is for Dorsey to cater to a QB who’s not seeing the field well. In the case of the latter, those QBs are usually replaced by those who can. Josh simply needs to play better, but he’s not alone. Everyone needs to elevate their game.

[Simon]

So are you saying that Diggs is .........elusive?

[Freddie's Dead]

3 minutes ago, Simon said:

So are you saying that Diggs is .........elusive?

Elusive and allusive, all at the same time!

[What a Tuel]

7 minutes ago, Simon said:

So are you saying that Diggs is .........elusive?

 

No, he is saying that Diggs is eluding to that fact that Josh is great at alluding defenders but not great at eluding to the next play call.

Edited October 26, 2023 by What a Tuel

[jlgarsh]

On 10/24/2023 at 9:30 PM, PBF81 said:

 

That's a little alarming.  Brady would take over.  His track record in the two years that he was the OC in Carolina is low-end.  

 

 

Not the end of the world. Look at Daboll. His offenses were terrible in Cleveland as OC but he learned from the experience. Plus I don't think he had much to work with in Carolina.

[jlgarsh]

7 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Elusive and allusive, all at the same time!

But is he Illusive? 

 

 

[Scott7975]

7 hours ago, Mango said:

This situation sucks. Burrow is clearly injured and Chase is out here whining. I’ve been hard on Diggs about a few incidents, but I think this is waaay worse. 
 

He has a stud QB whose clearly not 100% and he’s kicking him while he’s down. 

 

To be fair, Chase didn't want Burrow playing at all until he was fully healthy.

[PBF81]

12 minutes ago, jlgarsh said:

Not the end of the world. Look at Daboll. His offenses were terrible in Cleveland as OC but he learned from the experience. Plus I don't think he had much to work with in Carolina.

 

It's quite arguable that he didn't learn from anything, Allen simply became "Allen" and made it seem that way. 

 

His offense in NY is DFL.  It's not simply bad, it's last.  

 

That's not a coincidence that the only two decent offenses he had were two years when Allen came out.  

 

 

[What a Tuel]

6 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

It's quite arguable that he didn't learn from anything, Allen simply became "Allen" and made it seem that way. 

 

His offense in NY is DFL.  It's not simply bad, it's last.  

 

That's not a coincidence that the only two decent offenses he had were two years when Allen came out.  

 

 

 

Careful, next they'll tell you "its bc Daboll has Jones and not Allen. But Dorsey's offense is only at all decent bc of Allen" 

 

I have zero doubt we would be talking about firing Daboll if he had stuck around. In fact I know for sure because for some reason no one remembers the 6-9 loss to the Jaguars, 41-15 loss to the colts, 3 point half against the bucs, and someone flat game against Atlanta in 2021 in which people wanted Daboll gone.

 

Not to mention the Titans and Chiefs losses and 6 field goal game against the Jets in 2020. No one was saying FIRE DABOLL! No not at all 😂

 

The grass is always greener with what we don't have with this fanbase.

Edited October 26, 2023 by What a Tuel