Why is everyone focused on the Offense here?

[KingBoots8]

Just now, Gunsgoodtime said:

Watching Addison last night certainly did not make me feel any better about our recievers outside of Diggs, dude was open catching everything and making big plays.  We have failed Josh in that regard 2 years going now

I’ve got to imagine WR being near the top of the Draft Needs next year regardless of how we finish. I know DT and Safety are as well, but Poyer and Hyde were late round guys themselves. We have a middle launcher for a QB. He needs targets to blow up. I know some people are not in on Kincaid yet but I think he’s going to be a key component of this offense. We need a true 1b to Diggs 1a. He’s not getting younger and we need to invest in the future.

 

It’s either that, or we do what we did before and trade a pick for a known commodity. Not sure I love the WR decisions we have made aside from Diggs .

[BillsFan692]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

Josh Allen is worshipped by 99.9% of the fanbase.  You do not need to white knight for him.  Wipe off your chin and go outside.

I was accosted by an Board Admin for using the phrase "White Knight" -- they said it had political connotations -- i still have a permanent mark on my board record for it. 

 

I mean it was a few years ago so I should probably just let it go🤣

Edited October 24, 2023 by BillsFan692

[Nihilarian]

This team should make two trades before the deadline, one for a top WR and the other for a top LBer.  This would help the team immensely. Here is hoping Beane can work his magic. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

McDermott has his finger prints all over this offense right now and was confirmed yesterday by both he and Dorsey. Telling Josh not to bother making that extra key first down 2-3x a game is killing this offense. Just keep working with him to slide and get OB. Don't try to make him Troy Aikman.

[DrDawkinstein]

6 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

I was accosted by an Board Admin for using the phrase "White Knight" -- they said it had political connotations -- i still have a permanent mark on my board record for it. 

 

I mean it was a few years ago so I should probably just let it go🤣

 

You're not a real TBD poster until you have at least a few warning points on your profile anyways.

[cgg716]

45 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Did you know that Philly and SF rotate a lot of DL?

Did you know that SF spends a lower percentage of its cap on D than the Bills? Despite the fact that Purdy makes about 12 cents? Philly is about equal to us. They've both continually worked to improve the offense through the draft and trades. McCaffrey/Aiuyk. Brown/Swift etc. But we got Gabe Davis 

[HoofHearted]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

I am really confused by this. The Offense did start off slow but:

 

1. scored 25 points against a team that was 0-24 when a team gets 24 or more points.

 

2. Got a 3 point lead with I believe 1:54 left in the game.  All the bills D had to do was stop the worst scoring O in the NFL from getting  a TD in order to not lose the game. 
 

3. Yes the Bills D has a lot of injuries on it, but hello! The Patriots have the worst O and they gave up 29 points to them, more than doubling their normal output.

 

4. The Bills D per numerous sources only got 22% pressure on Jones who up until Sunday was the most pressured QB in the NFL.

 

My point? The Bills D would worry more a heck of a lot more than the Bills O because if they gave up 29 to the worst O what will they give up to teams like Dallas,KC, and Philly?

 

Your O be fine, even sleep walking through a half they still managed 25 points. 

It's easier to gripe about offense. Most people don't know what they're looking at when it comes to defensive football.

[DrDawkinstein]

8 minutes ago, cgg716 said:

Did you know that SF spends a lower percentage of its cap on D than the Bills? Despite the fact that Purdy makes about 12 cents? Philly is about equal to us. They've both continually worked to improve the offense through the draft and trades. McCaffrey/Aiuyk. Brown/Swift etc. But we got Gabe Davis 

 

Diggs/Cook.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

I am really confused by this. The Offense did start off slow but:

 

1. scored 25 points against a team that was 0-24 when a team gets 24 or more points.

 

2. Got a 3 point lead with I believe 1:54 left in the game.  All the bills D had to do was stop the worst scoring O in the NFL from getting  a TD in order to not lose the game. 
 

3. Yes the Bills D has a lot of injuries on it, but hello! The Patriots have the worst O and they gave up 29 points to them, more than doubling their normal output.

 

4. The Bills D per numerous sources only got 22% pressure on Jones who up until Sunday was the most pressured QB in the NFL.

 

My point? The Bills D would worry more a heck of a lot more than the Bills O because if they gave up 29 to the worst O what will they give up to teams like Dallas,KC, and Philly?

 

Your O be fine, even sleep walking through a half they still managed 25 points. 

pretty simple- the defense is 50% back ups with the weakness concentrated in the middle and complete lack of size at the second level. If they need to rely on this unit to close games instead of the two highest paid superstars on the team, they they may as well just tank the season now. 
 

 

 

[78thealltimegreat]

43 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

This is so poorly written. Nobody blames Allen for everything and half this board does not hate Allen.

Take off your Allen rose colored glasses though. He played poorly again. They should not have even been trailing in that game.

 

None of that excuses the defense and this loser HC. Remember when everyone blamed Frazier? We all said now there is no one else to blame when the defense collapses. 

People don’t blame Allen? Kyle Orton and Jeff Tuel get treated better then this guy 

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

Josh Allen is worshipped by 99.9% of the fanbase.  You do not need to white knight for him.  Wipe off your chin and go outside.

Where your moms waiting for me?

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

People don’t blame Allen? Kyle Orton and Jeff Tuel get treated better then this guy

 

This is just silly.

[78thealltimegreat]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

This is just silly.

Ok I forgot Tyrod Taylor thanks for reminding me 

[boyst]

37 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

I was accosted by an Board Admin for using the phrase "White Knight" -- they said it had political connotations -- i still have a permanent mark on my board record for it. 

 

I mean it was a few years ago so I should probably just let it go🤣

this was not any time recently, i would presume....?

[cgg716]

12 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Diggs/Cook.

2 guys, who do count, but years apart. I didn't even do o-line. The point is SF/Philly aren't defense only, the Bills believe a great defense can win, and hyper focus on it. It can't win, even with a good scheme/coach... and our scheme sucks

[Reed83HOF]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

I get that! But expecting an offense, even a great offense, to score 30 points to win a game is asking a lot of them. 
 

The D is injured, but they had the LEAD with less than 2 minutes to go.. facing a frankly BAD O.  They couldn’t stop a bad O. What’s going to happen when the Bills face not only very good O’s but also very good D’s like Dallas and Philly. I mean Sundays Bills D wouldn’t stop Mahomes once and they pull off what the Bills did to NE a few years ago and score TDs on every drive. 
 

 

KC wins the superbowls with unstoppable offense and not great defenses. If you go up 14 + points, the opponent is one dimensional amd become easier to defend, you take away a large portion of their playbook.

 

I will also add when looking at a top team against the league average, you are looking at fools gold. How can you compare the tops teams against averages of teams that are not their peers, the bottom 16 teams of the league are worse than us, where do we compare against the averages of the good teams? Especially on offense....

[boyst]

in all of this - i am not quoting everyone - remember how we were one of the most successful 3rd quarter offenses in history for a while? this was while we were coming out and scoring almost every opening drive and then some in the first half. we had a secure lead of 10 pts after the half each game. this meant that our defense could play a little more risky, our offense could make lower percentage plays with less consequences, and we could play more open and free.

 

this is the open and free we see when we need to come from behind. the 3 wideouts or more, the gunslinging taking chances offense. the taking chances that once in a while fail so we pile all over josh.

 

the reality is the defense is having systemic issues and our lack of prep shows frequently.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Seen many posts stating injuries are no excuse, all teams have them and that is true.  But how many have probably their best 4 defensive players all out 3 of them long term.  There's an article came out today in the BN stating Bills lead the league in percent of salary cap on IR.

 

Up till now all their players on offense have remained the same so the defense does have an excuse more and they looked real strong prior to the injuries. 

 

There was chart showing how the Bills offense is still coming up with big plays, 14 of them in Sundays game, but only 3 were before halftime.

[Royale with Cheese]

46 minutes ago, cgg716 said:

Did you know that SF spends a lower percentage of its cap on D than the Bills? Despite the fact that Purdy makes about 12 cents? Philly is about equal to us. They've both continually worked to improve the offense through the draft and trades. McCaffrey/Aiuyk. Brown/Swift etc. But we got Gabe Davis 

 

We did draft two offensive players with our first two picks.  Also signed another FA guard who is playing well.  We did a good job with our offensive upgrades.  

Something is broken though.

[PatsFanNH]

1 hour ago, nedboy7 said:

 

Seems to me a big part is Josh not playing smart and adjusting the plays and protections pre and post snap.  At least this is what the film shows from what I am watching.  He is not hitting open WRs and jamming the ball into windows and his WR2 is pathetic.  He is letting Cook run right into the overloaded side.  The right side of the OL also had its worst game of the year.  Coaching has been poor as well. Not sure we can blame one specific thing.   And these arguments of whose fault is it are over simplified. 

 

No.  If the Bills had scored early and put some pressure on the Pats it would have completely changed the trajectory of the game.  Bills D is short handed and missing its DTs was a huge issue.  Now you could point out the lack of depth there thats fine.  But no way were the Pats gonna score 40 if the Bills had been say 21-13 by the end of the first half which they need to do if they want to have a chance with half the D in the hospital. 

Omg! It’s 3 people down.. The Pats O line has been a MASH unit all year.  Brown, Onwenu, and Strange were back but no where near a 100%. Heck Brown got reinjured during the game but came back in for the final drive.  But your D missing 1 lineman and that’s why the Pass rush just vanished..  BUT it’s ok to expect your O to score a TD on practically every drive they got in the first half.  That’s just not sound logic. 

[Rubes]

Just now, PatsFanNH said:

Omg! It’s 3 people down.. The Pats O line has been a MASH unit all year.  Brown, Onwenu, and Strange were back but no where near a 100%. Heck Brown got reinjured during the game but came back in for the final drive.  But your D missing 1 lineman and that’s why the Pass rush just vanished..  BUT it’s ok to expect your O to score a TD on practically every drive they got in the first half.  That’s just not sound logic. 

 

Look, I get it, but we're not just talking about 3 people down. These are the top player at each level of the defense: the best interior DL, the best LB, and the best CB, each of whom is Pro Bowl/All-Pro level. These weren't your average 3 guys out of 11. Most of us are willing to cut the defense a little bit of slack when you lose those three players. 

 

It's still a huge problem when you let Mac Jones score the winning TD at the end of the game and can't protect the lead, but the reality is, as others have pointed out: this should never have come down to the final drive. The offense, at basically full strength, crapped the bed most of the game against a defense that was missing their own multiple key starters. It shouldn't have been close. The offense deserves far more criticism for that than the defense.