Has NFL Given Any Explanation Why Flag Was Picked Up?

[DrDawkinstein]

  On 10/24/2023 at 2:57 PM, st pete gogolak said:

Not saying it determined outcome of game or Bills played well enough to win. Just curious if NFL said anything about the call.

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No, and they never will. At least not publicly. They may communicate with the team if the team sends it in. But we'll never know, and NFL officiating will continue to live behind the veil of smoke and mirrors. Exactly where the league office wants it.

[Augie]

  On 10/24/2023 at 2:24 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

No and they need not.

 

If you play poorly for 58 minutes and find yourself in a tight game at the end because of it you have earned the right to have the random officials calls help decide the outcome.

 

And the more angry fans get about it the more bonded to their teams they become.

 

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That wasn’t the question. He asked if there was any explanation as to why the flag was picked up. Not throwing a flag or missing a call is one thing. Throwing a flag, then picking it up when it appears to have been justified deserves an explanation. It’s not just that “our team,” got he short end on this one, I think some explanation was warranted. Maybe I missed it?  🤷‍♂️

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Yes. They released a statement saying the referee that threw the flag had money on the Bills but the other referees had money on the Patriots.

 

Understandable.

Edited October 24, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Jerome007]

  On 10/24/2023 at 3:37 PM, Big Turk said:

 

He said "There is no foul for illegal man downfield on the play"

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Yep. Otherwise, we wouldn't even be having this thread. I'm surprised the BILLS and media aren't more vocal on  this one. It is one of the weird ones. Sure, the Giants got screwed on the no call on the last play 2 weeks ago... but there was no flag. This is beyond this.

 

And nope, I don't think it was to give Belichick his 300th win. As if that wouldn't happen this season, or that he was soooo loved anyway ha ha. 

[LewPort71]

  On 10/24/2023 at 3:29 PM, JÂy RÛßeÒ said:

Just give it to 'em ring any bells?

 

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Yes it does.   ARRRGGGHHH

[ngbills]

My understanding is they said it was a backwards pass. Music city miracle style. 

[Zag20]

Why are people still saying the center was 5 yards down the field? When Macorkle released the ball he was 1-2 yards downfield with his foot still at 1 yard, which is probably why they picked it up. It’s still a bs move to pick the flag up, but why exaggerate?

 

The PI with 18 seconds left was very impactful as it stopped the clock and gave them an extra down. That was one of those hooking the waist plays, but hardly impactful to the receiver. If that flag isn’t thrown, it’s second and goal, click running and they patriots get 2 plays before having to kick the FG to tie.

Edited October 24, 2023 by Zag20

[Chaos]

  On 10/24/2023 at 3:34 PM, LABILLBACKER said:

Not only that but Taron deserved a flag on Waller.  When you need flags to barely beat bad teams, your season is already a mess.  Try scoring more than 3 pts in the first half.

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second half points count the same.  Defense choked away a lead with less than two minutes to play, and the leagues worst offense 75 yards from the endzone.  Loss is owned 100% by the defense.  Bad defense, can't close. We have seen it numerous times. 

[LeGOATski]

I haven't seen any explanation. The NFL could easily be more transparent, like the USFL and XFL are, but they refuse.

 

I'm rooting for the other pro football leagues to succeed. Football is a super entertaining sport and the refs should be a much smaller part of the game. Automating the referee role as much as possible should be the goal.

[Big Turk]

  On 10/24/2023 at 3:30 PM, BuffaloBillies said:

I'm guessing refs are told by the NFL to do their very best not to make calls in the final couple minutes of the game that can impact the outcome, especially if they believe the infraction didn't "materially" impact the play. So perhaps when the zebra's got together after the play, they did acknowledge that he was downfield but that it didn't impact the play, so they picked it up. I very much disagree with this, of course. A penalty should be a penalty whenever it happens. But that's my guess.

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Except they have been making calls all year more and more that are impacting outcomes of games and many times deciding them.  They virtually handed the Browns a win against the Colts with flag after flag and call after call...that was pathetic.  I would be incensed if I was a Colts fan.

[buffaloboyinATL]

  On 10/24/2023 at 2:15 PM, st pete gogolak said:

Any explanation why flag for ineligible lineman downfield picked up?  Do they have to give an explanation or is it too bad so sad?

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Because Patriots*

[BuffaloBillies]

  On 10/24/2023 at 6:12 PM, Big Turk said:

 

Except they have been making calls all year more and more that are impacting outcomes of games and many times deciding them.  They virtually handed the Browns a win against the Colts with flag after flag and call after call...that was pathetic.  I would be incensed if I was a Colts fan.

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No penalty on Taron end of NYG game (thank god), which you could argue should have been called. Consistency is tough when it's ref judgment, I guess. The issue here though is picking up the flag. That's not cool, especially if they agree a foul occurred. 

[Big Turk]

  On 10/24/2023 at 6:19 PM, BuffaloBillies said:

 

No penalty on Taron end of NYG game (thank god), which you could argue should have been called. Consistency is tough when it's ref judgment, I guess. The issue here though is picking up the flag. That's not cool, especially if they agree a foul occurred. 

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Typically they let players decide the games on their own at the end.

 

The issue I have had is that you don't even know what you are getting series to series from officials in the SAME GAME, let alone from week to week with the same crew and then with different crews.  

 

Look at the Bourne TD where Henry literally blocks 3 Bills players and knocks them down but there is no offensive PI called which was FAR WORSE than what Murray did that was called earlier.

[Dafan]

  On 10/24/2023 at 3:33 PM, Big Turk said:

 

Reminds me of the "Just give it to them" call against the Pats.

 

That has NO relevancy to the play.  Whether he is blocking anyone or not, doesn't make it OK for him to be more than 1 yard downfield.  It's still a penalty even if he is dancing by himself downfield.

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The excuse of picking up the flag because he didn't block anyone is crap.  As a defensive player, you see a lineman down field and it changes your mind set as you are now playing a run as they can't pass the ball 

[BarleyNY]

https://nesn.com/2023/10/why-bill-belichick-thought-patriots-bills-officiating-was-unusual/

[Jerome007]

  On 10/24/2023 at 5:44 PM, Zag20 said:

Why are people still saying the center was 5 yards down the field? When Macorkle released the ball he was 1-2 yards downfield with his foot still at 1 yard, which is probably why they picked it up. It’s still a bs move to pick the flag up, but why exaggerate?

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That's what I saw on the TV replay. I might be wrong, but that's what I remember seeing. I haven't double checked. But since others were saying it too, I assumed it was indeed the case. 

[Sharky7337]

Crafty bob sent some asian orchids to the review crew and they needed the flags for cleanup

Edited October 24, 2023 by Sharky7337

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

  On 10/24/2023 at 2:15 PM, st pete gogolak said:

Any explanation why flag for ineligible lineman downfield picked up?  Do they have to give an explanation or is it too bad so sad?

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It's simple....big money came in on the Bills in Vegas to trounce the Pats so.....poof, flag goes away.  I hear the ref who through the flag got tuned up by the Pit Boss at the Bellagio though.

 

Of coarse I'm kidding....

 

Vegas would never collude with NFL officiating.

 

never

 

no way 

 

like, it's not even plausible

 

 

 

 

[Low Positive]

I just watched the play on the All-22. At the time that the pass was released, the center was precisely 1 yard downfield. He was 3 yards downfield by the time Stevenson caught Mac's floater. I think that, like usual, Belichick's teams get the details right.

[MikePJ76]

Teams usually put in a handful of plays that they disputed from the game and get answers from ny on tuesday.  I don't think the team nor the league is obligated to make that info public though.