Has NFL Given Any Explanation Why Flag Was Picked Up?

[st pete gogolak]

Any explanation why flag for ineligible lineman downfield picked up?  Do they have to give an explanation or is it too bad so sad?

[Big Turk]

It was egregious...

 

1) It was a forward pass

2) The man was 5 yards downfield(allowed to be 1 yard downfield)

3) It is irrelevant if the pass thrown is behind the line of scrimmage. This is the NFL, not High school. In the NFL that doesn't matter.

 

That was a 100% penalty and was so bad the NFL could use that in their training videos for officials on what constitutes an illegal man downfield penalty. 

Edited October 24, 2023 by Big Turk

[BADOLBILZ]

 

No and they need not.

 

If you play poorly for 58 minutes and find yourself in a tight game at the end because of it you have earned the right to have the random officials calls help decide the outcome.

 

And the more angry fans get about it the more bonded to their teams they become.

 

[st pete gogolak]

Not saying it determined outcome of game or Bills played well enough to win. Just curious if NFL said anything about the call.

[Bferra13]

1 minute ago, st pete gogolak said:

Not saying it determined outcome of game or Bills played well enough to win. Just curious if NFL said anything about the call.

Honestly, it probably did determine the outcome. But the Bills still deserved the fate they got.

[BillsFanSD]

36 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

No and they need not.

 

If you play poorly for 58 minutes and find yourself in a tight game at the end because of it you have earned the right to have the random officials calls help decide the outcome.

 

And the more angry fans get about it the more bonded to their teams they become.

 

It can simultaneously be true that the Bills richly deserved to lose this game and also that the officials were wrong to pick up this flag.  

[Long Suffering Fan]

2 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

Not saying it determined outcome of game or Bills played well enough to win. Just curious if NFL said anything about the call.

 

What made it so bad was not that it was missed.  The flag was thrown.  Calls get missed all the time, but It wasn't missed.  It was picked up.

[st pete gogolak]

3 minutes ago, Long Suffering Fan said:

 

What made it so bad was not that it was missed.  The flag was thrown.  Calls get missed all the time, but It wasn't missed.  It was picked up.

Precisely. That’s why I was curious if NFL commented on it.  

[BADOLBILZ]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

It can simultaneously be true that the Bills richly deserved to lose this game and also that the officials were wrong to pick up this flag.  

 

Why stop there?    It can also be true that this is just part of the game.   The SB was sealed on a legit but often not called pass interference........the Bills won Sunday with a controversial non-call ending the game.    The hope is that you mostly keep yourself out of those situations and that when you do, you get the breaks.   You string a bunch of them together.......the odds are you get burned.   The Bills still had plenty of opportunity to keep NE out of the end zone.  They failed.

[Jerome007]

17 minutes ago, Long Suffering Fan said:

What made it so bad was not that it was missed.  The flag was thrown.  Calls get missed all the time, but It wasn't missed.  It was picked up.

THIS!!! I don't get it. There needs to be a league explanation here. If the flag was never thrown, maybe we would not have noticed. But it was thrown, and the replay so clear! The center was at least 5 yards downfield. He wasn't blocking anyone or near anyone tough, so is that the reason? I don't think so... but we need to know!

 

What is this "Bills didn't deserve to win crap"? Both teams played the game, and there are rules in this game. The center didn't impact the play, but rules are rules. If the Cheats go back 5 yards instead of going forward 30 yards, that's a HUGE difference. Bills likely win. 

[JÂy RÛßeÒ]

Just give it to 'em ring any bells?

 

[BuffaloBillies]

I'm guessing refs are told by the NFL to do their very best not to make calls in the final couple minutes of the game that can impact the outcome, especially if they believe the infraction didn't "materially" impact the play. So perhaps when the zebra's got together after the play, they did acknowledge that he was downfield but that it didn't impact the play, so they picked it up. I very much disagree with this, of course. A penalty should be a penalty whenever it happens. But that's my guess.

[2003Contenders]

27 minutes ago, Long Suffering Fan said:

 

What made it so bad was not that it was missed.  The flag was thrown.  Calls get missed all the time, but It wasn't missed.  It was picked up.

I suppose the thought could be that the possible infraction had no bearing on the play given that the center did not actually block anyone. But that is not for the officials to decide. It smells of the NY office calling down to the field to tell the officials to pick the flag up so that Billy B. could get a shot at winning #300 at home. Not saying that is what happened, but sometimes perception is reality.

[Big Turk]

31 minutes ago, Long Suffering Fan said:

 

What made it so bad was not that it was missed.  The flag was thrown.  Calls get missed all the time, but It wasn't missed.  It was picked up.

 

Reminds me of the "Just give it to them" call against the Pats.

1 minute ago, 2003Contenders said:

I suppose the thought could be that the possible infraction had no bearing on the play given that the center did not actually block anyone. But that is not for the officials to decide. It smells of the NY office calling down to the field to tell the officials to pick the flag up so that Billy B. could get a shot at winning #300 at home. Not saying that is what happened, but sometimes perception is reality.

 

That has NO relevancy to the play.  Whether he is blocking anyone or not, doesn't make it OK for him to be more than 1 yard downfield.  It's still a penalty even if he is dancing by himself downfield.

[LABILLBACKER]

32 minutes ago, Bferra13 said:

Honestly, it probably did determine the outcome. But the Bills still deserved the fate they got.

Not only that but Taron deserved a flag on Waller.  When you need flags to barely beat bad teams, your season is already a mess.  Try scoring more than 3 pts in the first half.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

 

23 minutes ago, Long Suffering Fan said:

 

What made it so bad was not that it was missed.  The flag was thrown.  Calls get missed all the time, but It wasn't missed.  It was picked up.

"Hello, NY NFL referee ubermeister?  This is..'Richter' in Bronxville.  Pick up the flag and some important bets pay off.  Don't ask why, just pick it up."

 

Get me an 'X' account, I am on a roll. 😁

[starrymessenger]

I think that the ref also actually announced the penalty over the loudspeaker. Weird.

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, starrymessenger said:

I think that the ref also actually announced the penalty over the loudspeaker. Weird.

 

He said "There is no foul for illegal man downfield on the play"

[MJS]

26 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Why stop there?    It can also be true that this is just part of the game.   The SB was sealed on a legit but often not called pass interference........the Bills won Sunday with a controversial non-call ending the game.    The hope is that you mostly keep yourself out of those situations and that when you do, you get the breaks.   You string a bunch of them together.......the odds are you get burned.   The Bills still had plenty of opportunity to keep NE out of the end zone.  They failed.

Most games are close in the NFL. Yes, ideally you don't want the game to come down to a bad call, but often it does.

 

You seem offended that fans want to discuss one of the negative aspects of that game, which was a poor call by the refs. Everyone is in agreement that the Bills sucked and played poorly, but that doesn't mean we can't also discuss a specific play that was at least curious from the refs.

 

We all get it. There are bad calls. You don't want to be in a position where that impacts your ability to win. Yada yada. We aren't children. We understand.

4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Not only that but Taron deserved a flag on Waller.  When you need flags to barely beat bad teams, your season is already a mess.  Try scoring more than 3 pts in the first half.

That is not the topic of this thread. Everyone understands this. The question was about a specific call from the refs.

[starrymessenger]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

He said "There is no foul for illegal man downfield on the play"

Thanks. I guess I misheard what he said. Or maybe I just heard what I wanted to hear.