Joe Marino says all-22 Review shows Josh deserves a lot of blame for Pats Loss

[BuffaloBillyG]

37 minutes ago, mannc said:

I don’t disagree, but if Josh is regressing, I believe the coaches ultimately bear responsibility for that.  Josh Allen is the franchise and he isn’t going anywhere.  Job 1 for the coaching staff (and Beane, BTW) is to leverage the most physically dominant QB in the league.  They have largely failed at that task.

Ever hear the phrase "You can lead a horse to water, but can't make him drink"?

 

How do we know the coaching staff isn't doing all they can to prepare Allen and he's just not responding to it well? How do we know he's not focused elsewhere? We just don't.

 

Now I'm not saying that's what's happening because by the same token I'm not in the room with Allen and seeing what he's doing or the coaching staff is doing. But I also think blindly putting it all on coaching may not be the whole story.

[muppy]

26 minutes ago, Beast said:

Nah. Not at this point. Josh Allen is a veteran QB. You can’t have games against Miami when he decides to take what is given and multiple games like the Patriots game where it’s his way and not the team way. You can’t freaking tell me it’s not being drummed into his head to take the hot WR time and time again.

 

This is becoming a Josh Allen problem and Ken Dorsey appears to be the whipping boy for it.

oh SNAP Beast. Those are fighting words up in TBD. I think this thread is great.  I appreciate this discussion . To use analogy "Superman has lost his cape" 

 

It cannot be all one persons fault when things aren't working. Why did he lose his cape and how can he get it back?  I also don't know a truthful answer regarding his shoulder and its effect on his performance.

 

the plot thickens.

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

So what is changing from Allen’s performance vs the Raiders and Dolphins vs the basically the remainder of teams? I would say he was good not great against Washington. Were these games outlier? 
 

Do the Jags, Pats play a more physical style in your face type of Defense? 
 

Is it motivation?  Lack  of prep?

 

I don’t know but the contrast between the 2 games we scored a lot of points vs the last couple weekends is  really strange?

 

Somerhing has to be going on between his ears.. 

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

Played lousy, put up 25 points (missed FG too) and dropped fourth down pass.

 

Oh and he's to blame for the Pats last drive too?

 

Maybe not his greatest game, but more then enough to win. 

 

Remember those saying "Just Win Baby"😉

[Westside]

The Allen haters are out in full force! He’s the reason they took the lead!! Marino is a average evaluator who gets things wrong as much as he gets things right. 
I’ve never seen such a fickle fan base. Let’s get rid of Josh and go back to the days of crappy Qb’s! 

[zow2]

It's a week to week league.  Brock Purdy had his crowning moment game in 2023 vs Dallas a few weeks ago.  Much like Josh Allen had his vs. Miami.  Defensive coordinators will scheme to take away whatever worked, and these QB's/OC's have to be smarter.  Most of the DC's will allow the shorter stuff.  Everyone knows that long drives are harder to finish.  Fumbles, INTs, failed 3rd and 4th down conversions, penalties, sacks, tipped passes, etc..

[Andrew Son]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

 

It is worth noting that Josh is working through his 3rd injury to his throwing arm in 3 years. The day where Josh needs to be more efficient and less of a hoss is probably coming sooner than we’d hope for. 
 

Unfortunately at this point I don't think he's all of a sudden going to turn into a film junky.  Sadly at this point my hope is that we just unleash him and go all Cam Newton.  Hopefully we catch lighting in a bottle and can steal one title.  The shooting star approach rather than sustained long term success.  I just don't see special attributes consistently enough when he's trying to win traditionally.

[GunnerBill]

41 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Have they started getting plays in later in the play clock from what you have seen, after the 15 second helmet cutoff?

 

Not noticeably.

[Andrew Son]

2 minutes ago, Westside said:

The Allen haters are out in full force! He’s the reason they took the lead!! Marino is a average evaluator who gets things wrong as much as he gets things right. 
I’ve never seen such a fickle fan base. Let’s get rid of Josh and go back to the days of crappy Qb’s! 

No one ever says that.

 

When met with any criticism the reply is always- "i gUEss hE SUCks tHEN!!!"

Edited October 24, 2023 by SWATeam

[Westside]

Just now, SWATeam said:

Unfortunately at this point I don't think he's all of a sudden going to turn into a film junky.  Sadly at this point my hope is that we just unleash him and go all Cam Newton.  Hopefully we catch lighting in a bottle and can steal one title.  The shooting star approach rather than sustained long term success.  I just don't see special attributes consistently enough when he's trying to win traditionally.

You or anyone else in here know how much”film” he watches! Let’s make up stuff to make Allen sound even worse! This fan base doesn’t deserve to win. I’m more disappointed in how the fans turn on players and coaches so fast. Truly remarkable how hateful some people are!

[oldmanfan]

34 minutes ago, mannc said:

I don’t think this take is inconsistent with my point…it’s still ultimately the coaches’ responsibility and they will suffer the consequences if Josh doesn’t turn it around. It will take a lot more than one mediocre season for Josh Allen to be on the ropes in Buffalo.

So let me ask you this.  The coaches and Josh are watching the film from all games.  They are watching the film for upcoming opponents.  The coaches tell him:  when you see this, you need to go here with the ball.  But Josh doesn't.  Who is to blame?

 

We all love Josh, but he is not infallible and there are still parts of his game where he can improve.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

47 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Allen to Chicago for first and third overall, first in 2025 and 26.

 

Draft Williams and Harrison.

 

 

 

As great as Allen is I don't think any player is worth that compensation other than Mahomes. Four first round picks in their years with two of them basically guaranteed to be top 5. And with that said I still wouldn't even want to do it from our end. 

[Andrew Son]

Just now, Westside said:

You or anyone else in here know how much”film” he watches! Let’s make up stuff to make Allen sound even worse! This fan base doesn’t deserve to win. I’m more disappointed in how the fans turn on players and coaches so fast. Truly remarkable how hateful some people are!

He said it himself on McAfee...  "I'm not a guy that overwatches film"

[Westside]

1 minute ago, SWATeam said:

No one ever says that.

 

When met with any criticism the reply is always- "i gUEss hE SUCks tHEN!!!"

When met with criticism?!?!?

You blame everything on him. He’s the ONLY reason this team has a chance to win every week! It’s time for his teammates to step up!

Just now, SWATeam said:

He said it himself on McAfee...  "I'm not a guy that overwatches film"

Doesn’t mean he doesn’t watch film. But let’s take it out of context and run with it!!

 

[Roundybout]

Yeah, Josh needs to make those plays. I get that. But also, once again, Josh dragged this team to win at the end of the game and the defense let him down. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

It is year six. Time to consider that Allen is who he is by this point. A top 5 player in the league who's mental processing will keep him from being a co-number one with Mahomes. If we want Allen to solidify himself as the #2 QB in the league he needs to be encouraged to run, not discouraged. It is what makes him special. 

[oldmanfan]

6 minutes ago, Westside said:

The Allen haters are out in full force! He’s the reason they took the lead!! Marino is a average evaluator who gets things wrong as much as he gets things right. 
I’ve never seen such a fickle fan base. Let’s get rid of Josh and go back to the days of crappy Qb’s! 

No one is saying get rid of Josh, but in your hysteria over him getting some criticism you jump to that.  He is a great QB, but he has room to improve.  Film shows there are times he could take the easy completion for yardage and doesn't.  He did in the 3 games where the offense wiped folks out.  He just needs to get back to that.

[Westside]

38 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Sunday, after they scored the go-ahead TD.

 

Fire is not the issue.  It’s putting in the work to be great.

You have no clue how much either puts in! Just making stuff up to advance your agenda. Truth be damned!

[CSBill]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

"There were issues with Josh Allen not getting the team out of bad run looks. Another situation where they're trying to run the ball to a side of the formation where there's four Patriots players for two Bills offensive linemen to block; you can't run the play.

 

I remember watching that play and yelling at the TV, "WHY?" It was obvious to anyone paying attention.

[Andrew Son]

1 minute ago, Westside said:

When met with criticism?!?!?

You blame everything on him. He’s the ONLY reason this team has a chance to win every week! It’s time for his teammates to step up!

Doesn’t mean he doesn’t watch film. But let’s take it out of context and run with it!!

 

lol, who is the most important player with the largest % of the cap and gets all the glory when they win?

 

Let's pin the blame on Kendal Vickers Tyrel Dodson!

 

Obviously he is great and we're lucky to have him.  He simply needs to be better and more consistent.  The frustrating part is we're not asking him to do something beyond his capabilities.  He has all the tools in the world, we're not sitting here with a maxed out Kurt Cousins.