Devils advocate...what is Josh is the problem?

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I’d be more worried we are seeing Andrew Luck 2.0 here.  All I want is for him to stop being a turnover machine and actually read the defense and throw when he hits his drop, prioritize moving chains and situational football over flashy hero ball. 

Seems pretty reasonable to me 

None of this is true.  You're just throwing crap at the wall like monkeys do in the zoo.

 

Allen hasn't been a TO machine since week 1. And a more accurate description of Allen is that he's a TD producing machine.

 

Allen doesn't actually read defenses?  Really?  So that 17 play 81 yard TD drive against the Giants was improvisation?

 

Throw the ball when he hits his drop?  What the hell does that even mean with a DT in his face?  Sounds like your throwing football jargon around to impress people.  That might work at Fishhaven.

 

Allen doesn't prioritize moving the chains?  Where do the Bills rank in getting first downs?  Doesn't seem to be a problem when you look at the actual data and not just make stuff up. And how many first downs did Allen produce in those long TD drives the last couple of weeks?

 

Allen is doing a lot of "flashy hero ball" is he?  I think you're mistaking Allen making spectacular plays that only he can make with hero ball. 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, Bockeye said:

Haven’t sifted through all the crap you have all posted, but it’s freaking obvious——->
 

Brittany Williams > Hailee Steinfeld

Who?  kidding, I like the latter much better.  Sheryl Crow would be perfect.

Edited October 24, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

What ever happened to the fire in this dude? Remember the run against the Cowboys on thanksgiving? Remember the fire he had before 13 seconds Or all The times he’d run around making plays and get up and show so much fun and raw emotion? Did these POS coach that out of him? We coached the playmaker out of Tyrod and the guy was a shell of himself in that Jags playoff game. We had the most uniquely gifted QB in the NFL and probably turned him into a robot. There might never be a more inexcusable act than coaching the playmaker out of this kid. If that’s what we did. It certainly looks like it.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

 

[Scott7975]

I've said my thoughts on this in many threads so I will just sum it up...

 

1. Lack of talent on the offensive side of the football

2. Bad coaching.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

13 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

None of this is true.  You're just throwing crap at the wall like monkeys do in the zoo.

 

Allen hasn't been a TO machine since week 1. And a more accurate description of Allen is that he's a TD producing machine.

 

Allen doesn't actually read defenses?  Really?  So that 17 play 81 yard TD drive against the Giants was improvisation?

 

Throw the ball when he hits his drop?  What the hell does that even mean with a DT in his face?  Sounds like your throwing football jargon around to impress people.  That might work at Fishhaven.

 

Allen doesn't prioritize moving the chains?  Where do the Bills rank in getting first downs?  Doesn't seem to be a problem when you look at the actual data and not just make stuff up. And how many first downs did Allen produce in those long TD drives the last couple of weeks?

 

Allen is doing a lot of "flashy hero ball" is he?  I think you're mistaking Allen making spectacular plays that only he can make with hero ball. 

 

 

 

 

data you say? 

 

who leads the nfl in turnovers since 2018? Who has never had two consecutive no turnover games?
 

chain moving neglect:
 I reviewed over a dozen plays where it’s an obvious problem- See cover 1 for further confirmation- this has been a consistent problem particularly in the losses. They know a LOT more about football than you. 

reading defenses:

I cannot remember seeing a recognized blitz and a hot route hit to beat it. He’s not progressing through his reads, or anticipating. It’s why lousy defenses are so easily beating him right now. Remember he shocked Mcafeee that He doesn’t like to over indulge on film. 
 

Jargon to impress people 😂 sorry you feel that way, it’s pretty simple stuff. 

 

[Billever76]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

He's been awful for 3 games.  He's got it in him, he just isn't on his A game.  Or B game.  He has the yips.  Hopefully they're gone soon....

The offensive scheme is a total polar opposite to what allen does best..mind numbing how our coaches think this is the best path forward when you have a qb with Allen's skill set

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

data you say? 

 

who leads the nfl in turnovers since 2018? Who has never had two consecutive no turnover games?
 

chain moving neglect:
 I reviewed over a dozen plays where it’s an obvious problem- See cover 1 for further confirmation- this has been a consistent problem particularly in the losses. They know a LOT more about football than you. 

reading defenses:

I cannot remember seeing a recognized blitz and a hot route hit to beat it. He’s not progressing through his reads, or anticipating. It’s why lousy defenses are so easily beating him right now. Remember he shocked Mcafeee that He doesn’t like to over indulge on film. 
 

Jargon to impress people 😂 sorry you feel that way, it’s pretty simple stuff. 

 

😂😂😂Where do you come up w these things

 

'never had two consecutive no turnover games' 

[Mikie2times]

9 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

None of this is true.  You're just throwing crap at the wall like monkeys do in the zoo.

 

Allen hasn't been a TO machine since week 1. And a more accurate description of Allen is that he's a TD producing machine.

 

Allen doesn't actually read defenses?  Really?  So that 17 play 81 yard TD drive against the Giants was improvisation?

 

Throw the ball when he hits his drop?  What the hell does that even mean with a DT in his face?  Sounds like your throwing football jargon around to impress people.  That might work at Fishhaven.

 

Allen doesn't prioritize moving the chains?  Where do the Bills rank in getting first downs?  Doesn't seem to be a problem when you look at the actual data and not just make stuff up. And how many first downs did Allen produce in those long TD drives the last couple of weeks?

 

Allen is doing a lot of "flashy hero ball" is he?  I think you're mistaking Allen making spectacular plays that only he can make with hero ball. 

 

 

 

Critique:  I think Josh could do a better job getting the ball out on time. He is still missing some reads. It's forcing him to hold the ball. 

 

Board: Do you know where we would be without Josh Allen? Somewhere south of your moms tramp stamp and north of the back of her knee if you catch my drift

 

Critique: Ahhhhh, I don't ..

 

Board: Exactly. You aren't fan enough for Josh. You don't deserve Josh. You call yourself a fan? A real fan would know what would happen if Josh wasn't here

 

Critique: Well, ya. We probably wouldn't make the playoffs. He's an MVP candidate. But I can talk about when he makes mistakes can't I?

 

Board: LMAO! Josh Allen always plays well you microscopic Bildo tip. Clearly you know nothing about the game. I doubt you were even a fan in 2021. 

 

Critique: I have been a fan for 30 years. Josh isn't playing well, we do need him, but we need him to play well. He is part of the problem right now. 

 

Board: You must be Joe Marino's little brother. Who do you suggest we trade Josh for? Go on. Who? Go on? Who? Go On GO ON CAP CAPS GOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Critique: Look we shouldn't trade him I never said that. What is even happening. 

 

Board: Josh Allen just happened. Touchdown............

 

Critique: The Games not for several more days

 

Board: Josh is that good 

 

Critique: This is dumb

 

Board: I know you're but what am I

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

17 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

What ever happened to the fire in this dude? Remember the run against the Cowboys on thanksgiving? Remember the fire he had before 13 seconds Or all The times he’d run around making plays and get up and show so much fun and raw emotion? Did these POS coach that out of him? We coached the playmaker out of Tyrod and the guy was a shell of himself in that Jags playoff game. We had the most uniquely gifted QB in the NFL and probably turned him into a robot. There might never be a more inexcusable act than coaching the playmaker out of this kid. If that’s what we did. It certainly looks like it.

Agree with the first bit. But Winners are motivated intrinsically…. If coaching took it away then he’s a loser anyway. I think it’s more than that. 

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

😂😂😂Where do you come up w these things

 

'never had two consecutive no turnover games' 

 Watching football games and hearing stats? 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Agree with the first bit. But Winners are motivated intrinsically…. If coaching took it away then he’s a loser anyway. I think it’s more than that. 

 Watching football games and hearing stats? 

Not watching enough lol

 

2021 playoffs ring a bell

[BillMafia716ix]

I listen to the locked on Podcast and the All 22 Tape reveled that Josh Allen was just flat out bad. Missing throws, not recognizing coverage, or protections.

 

I think Josh Allen is great but I think there is enough proof out there to say Josh Allen is a front runner. He’s great when things are going well..but when the games are tight, he plays some of his worst football. If we are going to get over the hump, 17 has to be better.

[Brand J]

Josh Allen set the standard for his elite level of play 3 years ago, now we all want to see that consistently, the sort of games he had against the 49ers, the Patriots, the Dolphins, etc. Correction, we don’t need to see that level of excellence every game, because quite frankly it’s impossible, but he hasn’t been playing nearly as well lately as he had in those aforementioned games. He is missing reads, he is missing throws, sometimes he doesn’t know where to go with the ball, all of those are true. Pointing out said truths doesn’t deserve an onslaught of excuse making or name calling from his most rabid supporters. Is Josh Allen the problem? No. But he is part of the problem. To say he isn’t is trolling. And yes, there are other aspects of the offense that aren’t working as well as they need to be, further contributing to the offensive funk.

 

Last thing I will say… When Mahomes has a stinker of a game but finds magic in the end to put his team in the lead, KC’s defense almost always seems to rise to the top and stop the opposing offense from getting the points they need to tie or win the game. The same can’t be said for Allen. When he has a stinker of a game, but finds the magic to put his team in the lead, the Buffalo defense seems to give up what the opposition needs more times than not. If the defense was a bit more clutch, Buffalo’s record in one score games would be much stronger and Allen would have more career wins and… dare I say it… at least one SB ring. 

14 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

😂😂😂Where do you come up w these things

 

'never had two consecutive no turnover games' 

It was announced on the broadcast. I was shocked when I heard it myself. It was either “never has had two consecutive turnover free games” or “has never gone more than two consecutive games without a turnover.” Can’t remember the language used.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Josh Allen set the standard for his elite level of play 3 years ago, now we all want to see that consistently, the sort of games he had against the 49ers, the Patriots, the Dolphins, etc. Correction, we don’t need to see that level of excellence every game, because quite frankly it’s impossible, but he hasn’t been playing nearly as well lately as he had in those aforementioned games. He is missing reads, he is missing throws, sometimes he doesn’t know where to go with the ball, all of those are true. Pointing out said truths doesn’t deserve an onslaught of excuse making or name calling from his most rabid supporters. Is Josh Allen the problem? No. But he is part of the problem. To say he isn’t is trolling. And yes, there are other aspects of the offense that aren’t working as well as they need to be, further contributing to the offensive funk.

 

Last thing I will say… When Mahomes has a stinker of a game but finds magic in the end to put his team in the lead, KC’s defense almost always seems to rise to the top and stop the opposing offense from getting the points they need to tie or win the game. The same can’t be said for Allen. When he has a stinker of a game, but finds the magic to put his team in the lead, the Buffalo defense seems to give up what the opposition needs more times than not. If the defense was a bit more clutch, Buffalo’s record in one score games would be much stronger and Allen would have more career wins and… dare I say it… at least one SB ring. 

It was announced on the broadcast. I was shocked when I heard it myself. It was either “never has had two consecutive turnover free games” or “has never gone more than two consecutive games without a turnover.” Can’t remember the language used.

Neither is true 

[Scott7975]

19 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

data you say? 

 

who leads the nfl in turnovers since 2018? Who has never had two consecutive no turnover games?
 

chain moving neglect:
 I reviewed over a dozen plays where it’s an obvious problem- See cover 1 for further confirmation- this has been a consistent problem particularly in the losses. They know a LOT more about football than you. 

reading defenses:

I cannot remember seeing a recognized blitz and a hot route hit to beat it. He’s not progressing through his reads, or anticipating. It’s why lousy defenses are so easily beating him right now. Remember he shocked Mcafeee that He doesn’t like to over indulge on film. 
 

Jargon to impress people 😂 sorry you feel that way, it’s pretty simple stuff. 

 

 

Lets see your film review.  Show your work and your analysis.  Otherwise you are talking garbage and just trying to sound like you know football when you don't.  Cover1 put out a few clips of Josh not making the throw.  They also put out some where Josh had no chance.  Nobody here cross posted those though did they.  Could it be because they (read:you) have an agenda?

[Brand J]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Neither is true 

If you can find three games in a row where Allen had zero turnovers, going all the way back to his rookie season, send it in to the CBS team that called the game this past weekend, because they’re the ones who made the claim. 

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

when the games are tight, he plays some of his worst football.

 

Really? He has played his best football at the end of games over the past 3 weeks, pulling a rabbit out of his hat to get us back into the game or take the lead at the end. His defense choked in crunch time against the Jags and Pats, and almost against the Giants too.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

23 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Critique: I have been a fan for 30 years. Josh isn't playing well, we do need him, but we need him to play well. He is part of the problem right now. 

 

Board: You must be Joe Marino's little brother. Who do you suggest we trade Josh for? Go on. Who? Go on? Who? Go On GO ON CAP CAPS GOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

logic isn't a strong suit here.  If, then....If, then.  It's not either/or.  It's what's the fix?

Edited October 24, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, JayBaller10 said:

If you can find three games in a row where Allen had zero turnovers, going all the way back to his rookie season, send it in to the CBS team that called the game this past weekend, because they’re the ones who made the claim. 

Like I said

 

End of 2021 jets  pats chiefs

And that's just off the top of my head lol

 

Come on bills fans smdh

[Mikie2times]

Josh Allen protection team is out in full force this evening. 

 

Edited October 24, 2023 by Mikie2times