Hebert19 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 When you look at all 22 he is missing open guys all over and seems to be keying in on one guy in the route the entire time. The turnovers at the end of last year amd jets game were bad. Like he didn't see the defenders. What are chances he's locking in on one guy because he isn't trusting what he's seeing now. 3 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Not allowed. Its someone else fault entirely. Josh can do no wrong. 2 4 2 4 6 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) If I had to guess, I'd say it's an identity crisis and loss of confidence in coaches as well as the majority of the offense. It's clear at this point that Josh's big play ability is being held back, and he's not the one choosing to do so. For whatever reason, he has decided not to rebel against whatever Dorsey and likely also McD have been trying to instill in him to be a more stereotypical pocket passer and to essentially neutralize the wild and explosive aspect of his running ability and his hero ball play. Yes, this actually has to some degree cut down on the mistakes that would come with that sort of play, but at this point it seems like a wash in that regard, all the while we no longer have any of the upside and the positives of Josh's usual style of play. So we've absorbed all the negative aspects of changing his game, but haven't reaped any of the benefts. If the offense and the line were totally stacked then sure, we'd be a machine on offense. Instead we are predictable and teams no longer have to spy Josh, and honestly I don't think they fear him or go into each play anymore thinking "Oh *****, he might pull off something insane here." He's been neutered and they know it. As for confidence in the rest of the offense, it's pretty bleak. Knox is anti-clutch. Diggs can't get the ball every time. We have no true #2 receiver. It was very encouraging having such a great game with Kincaid and I hope that mentally that gives Josh the confidence to basically turn him into the #2, but still. Having two guys on your offense that you actually trust isn't enough and that is painfully obvious. Josh will always make some mistakes, but I cannot blame him too much at the moment considering what he's been told to do and the cast of characters he is having to do it with. Edited October 23, 2023 by Dick_Cheney 1 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I think it was very windy out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: When you look at all 22 he is missing open guys all over and seems to be keying in on one guy in the route the entire time. The turnovers at the end of last year amd jets game were bad. Like he didn't see the defenders. What are chances he's locking in on one guy because he isn't trusting what he's seeing now. Your username points to the problem. He is trying to play like Herbert and extend plays outside the pocket to throw downfield instead of taking off running when the opportunities are there. Herbert runs only as a last resort. Last year Allen ran 70 more times than Herbert did. This year they are equal. That's a major problem, IMO. Both for him and for the offense in general. It's causing defenders to not respect that part of his game anymore and simply drop back to cover which means he has a bunch of green grass to run but instead tries to throw into tighter windows. If he starts taking advantage of those green spaces again, it forces defenders to respect it and come up to stop him, thereby opening up those windows again. Literally that's all that he needs to do. The other problem is the team isn't playing with any continuity as a team and playing "complimentary football". When the D is making stops and getting the O the ball back in the first half, they can't do anything, and then when the O starts moving and scoring at will in the 2nd half, the D can't get any stops and allows long drives and the other team to eat time off the clock, lessening the opportunity for the Bills to score more points to pull away. In the last 9 "real possessions" in the 2nd halves of the last 3 games, the offense has 7 TDS, a missed FG and a turnover on downs after picking up 42 yards. That's pretty good...no punts, mostly TDs. The D needs to help them more by getting a 3 and out here or there instead of allowing 15 play 8.5 minute drives for points for the other team. They need to start playing as a unit where the O helps the D and the D helps the O. Edited October 23, 2023 by Big Turk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 lotta moping around too a team will reflect its leaders maybe he's just spending too much time at the bar on saturday nights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 It kinda all started around the time they lost the title of NFL celebrity "it" couple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I said this in another thread. If you compare KC v BUF - the Chiefs have the confidence to play how they want. Throw it 100 straight times, run it 100 straight times, who cares. They dont give a rats how they score. The Bills with Dorsey are like the smart kid who thinks he can figure stuff out and is always trying to impress others. Lets show we can establish the run, lets show we can throw to 17 different guys, lets get this guy involved, the book says you need this, always thinking about something and not just doing what you do best. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: When you look at all 22 he is missing open guys all over and seems to be keying in on one guy in the route the entire time. The turnovers at the end of last year amd jets game were bad. Like he didn't see the defenders. What are chances he's locking in on one guy because he isn't trusting what he's seeing now. careful .. articulating this type of observation is intimidated 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Herbert sucks as a Qb, Allen is much much better. Get over it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 If Josh is the problem, we'll just get a shiny new QB at the QB store. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 He’s a unicorn with its horn being chopped off to appease the archaic notion of complementary football. 1 1 1 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 These people think that getting rid of Josh will solve all the problems. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Westside said: These people think that getting rid of Josh will solve all the problems. Maybe I missed something. Who's saying this? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Josh put us in position to win the game and yet again the defense **** the bed and that falls solely on McD. 4 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, Westside said: These people think that getting rid of Josh will solve all the problems. Stop playing like and idiot equates to getting rid of? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 23, 2023 Author Share Posted October 23, 2023 22 minutes ago, Doc said: If Josh is the problem, we'll just get a shiny new QB at the QB store. Not saying its a long term thing but since he started throwing picks he's not going through his progressions the same and as a result he's missing people. Watch the cheifs game last year before he started throwing picks. He was so decisive and fast that game. Same with NE game. Even until halftime at against green Bay. Then he threw a pick. Then another and all of a sudden he was off. He needs a sports psychologist. 23 minutes ago, Westside said: These people think that getting rid of Josh will solve all the problems. No one said get rid of him. He's got a bit of a mental block. Doesn't mean he can't fix. Doesn't mean we need rid of him. But he CAN be the problem and the solution too. 24 minutes ago, Westside said: These people think that getting rid of Josh will solve all the problems. No one said get rid of him. He's got a bit of a mental block. Doesn't mean he can't fix. Doesn't mean we need rid of him. But he CAN be the problem and the solution too. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Ironically he is on pace for the best year statistically since 2020 passing. It is why the eye test matters more to me then the stats, I thought last year was actually Joshs best year as they took a lot of body blows and regardless of turnovers he got them through it. To me he is pressing a bit too hard and things have gone sideways in a way he has not faced since 2019. The offense seems to actively trying to evolve for some reason to be more balanced and he has been far more a pocket passer this year then I can ever remember prior. He still is a freak breaking tackles and making plays exist that normally don't, but there seems to be a forced effort to not run 20 yards and pass for 10 or throw it away. When the offense was running hot weeks 2-4 it wasn't an issue and the evolution seemed fine. But the last three weeks have been a step back and I think they have gone a bit too far with keeping him safe and in the pocket vs letting him play. Truthfully Josh is at his best when he is a dual threat and willing to take a guy on. Week 1 may have spooked him in a season he was already moving away from being as aggressive running it. Maybe this is just part of his evolution and by the back half of the season this is a road bump as they find the stride they had weeks 2-4 or maybe the offense as a whole needs a rescheme and going back to the most successful parts of 2020-22. To me the answer is probably more towards the middle by loosening and letting Josh play a little more free and utilizing 11 personnel which josh seems to like more while having a more targeted rushing attack when you run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Josh needs to tackle better. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I read here that the problem is jetlag. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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