Did Dorien Williams get benched yesterday?

[HappyDays]

30 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Personally, I think benching Dorien Williams was a mistake. Let the kid learn.

 

After a performance like that, his learning will come in the film room, not on the field. If you can't grasp your responsibilities you can't play.

 

Coming from Tulane to playing against an NFL mastermind like Belichick is not an easy transition. Chalk it up to a bad game for a young player... he was still not the primary reason our defense wilted over and over again.

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

watchign williams he can't tackle but more importantly it seems that he goes freelance and does his own thing - kiko alonso style.

 

i don't think he's maintaining his responsibilities, performing his assignments, and then getting pushed around.

 

i'm amazed that an undersized LB who many thought did not play powerful or big enough is being handled this way.

 

No disagreement, but they knew that when they drafted him. 

 

Here's what we need to understand, yesterday's game forced our defense into a more traditional role, or at least that's the way it ended up.  

 

We're not built for that for the very reason you stated.  McD's D has been predicated upon swarming players rotating in and out.  In this game he had to rely more on his depth.  Without Milano we have no one that's stout at the point of attack up-the-middle, even a brick-footed larger LB would have been useful, although he wouldn't have fit into the D the way that it's run.  

File under if you're going to run this kind of a D, best to make sure you have the appropriate depth players.  We obviously don't, and opponents, offensively weak ones, have figured out how to capitalize on it.  

 

Still, it doesn't' explain why three of our leading pass rushers, all of whom played, two of which started, netted 0 sacks, 0 TFLs, and only 1 QB Hit.  Rousseau, Floyd, and AJE, oddly all getting only about 50% of the snaps.  

 

Plan on seeing more of the offensive game-plan that Belichick brought.  Our defense in general is average or so, but our rushing D is bottom-dwelling right now.  It's one of our worst in franchise history.  There's no reason to expect that to change.  And considering that the offenses that we've played to date are ranked ...

 

So far, besides Miami, we've faced the 14th, 22nd, 25th, 27th, 29th, and 30th ranked Yardage Offenses, and ... 

 

the 9th, 18th, 20th, 30th, 31st, and 32nd ranked Scoring Offenses.  

 

Coming up we face offenses on the other end of the spectrum.  

 

 

 

 

Edited October 23, 2023 by PBF81

[Warriorspikes51]

Dodson seeing the field over Klein is a mistake 

[JerseyBills]

28 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Not to mention your starting DTs.

Exactly and both were playing phenomenal 

[I'm Spartacus]

Small, undersized linebackers suck. End of story. Go back to Carolina McDermott and Beane

[Whkfc]

3 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

I thought he got injured. Dodson looked like crap

Yeah Dodson sucks he's less than a JAG. I'd rather have Klein in there.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

This coach is his own worst enemy. Worked well on that last drive

[GreggTX]

Yes he did, but I still think he has a high ceiling. Give it time.

[Solomon Grundy]

4 hours ago, ngbills said:

I think the double whammy is Bernard needs help next to him. He is not meant to be your best LB but has shown to be solid as a supporting cast member. The last few games have not been great. 

Yeah. Like not being in the right place for the Gesicki TD

[ngbills]

18 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Yeah. Like not being in the right place for the Gesicki TD

And the angle he took on Stevenson catch and run to get down there in the first place. 

[Pete]

well that worked out well.  Trash Williams all you want.  When Williams is in, he is always around the ball, and super active.  I didnt notice Dodson at all.  He made about as many plays as Williams made on the bench

[Low Positive]

McDermott cannot stand mental errors. He would rather see a guy get beat due to his physical limitations than a guy get beat due to mental mistakes. That's what I think is driving these decisions.

[26TrapDraw]

Great I just ordered a Dorian Williams jersey Last week!! 

🤬🤬🤬

[BuffaninSarasota]

yes, DoriAN Williams got benched yesterday

[Best Williams Available]

50 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

McDermott cannot stand mental errors. He would rather see a guy get beat due to his physical limitations than a guy get beat due to mental mistakes. That's what I think is driving these decisions.

See T Edmunds for reference

2 minutes ago, Best Williams Available said:

See T Edmunds for reference

Actually I don’t know if Edmunds is point or counterpoint to your argument. Physically gifted but often out of position. Not sure this is overpursuit, bad instincts or mental lapses.

Edited October 23, 2023 by Best Williams Available

[TheyCallMeAndy]

6 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

And if he did why
 

For Dodson?

 

For chrissake

Yes, it makes sense though.

 

Our DTs are as sound as the foundation in my 143 year old house, OL was leaking to our linebackers like rainwater into my basement. 
 

Dodson is MUCH better vs the run than Williams, and probably a little more consistent mental game wise. 

[BillsFooteball]

If not going to play Williams, please play Klein over Dodson. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

How can that be ?

 

Why just last week Williams was getting rave reviews from this board !!

[HoofHearted]

Williams didn't play as bad as I initially thought. He was misaligned a couple times. Didn't fit correctly or was slow to fit on the split zone the Patriots ran a few times, but the thing that got him benched was giving up the big pass to Bourne on mesh. He had a bust in every series.

8 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

No disagreement, but they knew that when they drafted him. 

 

Here's what we need to understand, yesterday's game forced our defense into a more traditional role, or at least that's the way it ended up.  

 

We're not built for that for the very reason you stated.  McD's D has been predicated upon swarming players rotating in and out.  In this game he had to rely more on his depth.  Without Milano we have no one that's stout at the point of attack up-the-middle, even a brick-footed larger LB would have been useful, although he wouldn't have fit into the D the way that it's run.  

File under if you're going to run this kind of a D, best to make sure you have the appropriate depth players.  We obviously don't, and opponents, offensively weak ones, have figured out how to capitalize on it.  

 

Still, it doesn't' explain why three of our leading pass rushers, all of whom played, two of which started, netted 0 sacks, 0 TFLs, and only 1 QB Hit.  Rousseau, Floyd, and AJE, oddly all getting only about 50% of the snaps.  

 

Plan on seeing more of the offensive game-plan that Belichick brought.  Our defense in general is average or so, but our rushing D is bottom-dwelling right now.  It's one of our worst in franchise history.  There's no reason to expect that to change.  And considering that the offenses that we've played to date are ranked ...

 

So far, besides Miami, we've faced the 14th, 22nd, 25th, 27th, 29th, and 30th ranked Yardage Offenses, and ... 

 

the 9th, 18th, 20th, 30th, 31st, and 32nd ranked Scoring Offenses.  

 

Coming up we face offenses on the other end of the spectrum.  

 

 

 

 

Because we essentially rushed 3 all day. Settle added absolutely nothing to the pass rush and often times automatically played as a low box player not even attempting to win a rush. Hard to get home when it's 3 v 6.

[Dr.Sack]

Elam & Dorian will all be better pros than the guys who are starting that are 5 years older.