MAJBobby Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, FireChans said: Yes it is. If we trade Von now, it's a $6M hit now, $21M next season, 0 in 2025. If we trade or cut Von next year as a post 6/1, his dead cap extends into 2025. And you are absorbing the 6M THIS year How again? Quote
DCofNC Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 30 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Tell me a Coach Like Sean Peyton (who likes TEs and utilizes them in his offenses dating back to the Saints, would not like a Dawson Knox on that team with 3 years remaining on that contract). He absolutely would and could lower any compensation needed for a Jeudy or a Surtain II Question to that, how do we accelerate those guarantees to this year AND add another salary? Quote
cDAVIS Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Big Turk said: None...open up the offense by allowing Allen to play his game and stop trying to make him Justin Herbert. This, 100%. He's a kid in his prime. Let's live and die by the sword. If he gets hurt, so be it. What we have seen lately just isn't it. Edited October 23, 2023 by cDAVIS Quote
billieve420 Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 1T followed by CB and WR would be my priorities. Think Beane should be able to make move for defensive tackle and it won't kill the team. Edited October 31, 2023 by billieve420 1 Quote
MAJBobby Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, DCofNC said: Question to that, how do we accelerate those guarantees to this year AND add another salary? 4,150,000 is the Dead on a Knox Trade in season. Dawkins converts his base to bonus saves roughly 6M this year. Jeudy holding a 2.6M prorated, so roughly 1.6M coming back. See fits Gabe Davis in a trade is more clean because you would not need to restructure Dawkins Quote
FireChans Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: And you are absorbing the 6M THIS year How again? Trading Hyde and All Pro Po frees $7M Quote
Buffalo03 Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 33 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Ok so in 2023 which WR should they have took? 2022 - Which One 2021 - Which one 2020 - Diggs (that young WR) 2019 - passed on Marguise Brown and N'Keal Harry So please tell me what one? We could have moved up a couple spots for Zay Flowers who has been productive. Amon Ra St. Brown, George Pickens (being held back by Kenny Pickett) and I don't think would be available. Christian Watson (who was productive last season under Rodgers). 2020 was the year they traded for Diggs but they may have had a shot at Justin Jefferson since he went right around the area that we drafted at. Those are just to name a few. Any noteworthy young WR is gonna cost too much money to bring in here. We don't have the cap space for it. Jerry Jeudy? Maybe but how good is he really? It's hard to tell. I say we draft ate own and if we have to move up a bit to grab one then we should. Quote
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: We could have moved up a couple spots for Zay Flowers who has been productive. Amon Ra St. Brown, George Pickens (being held back by Kenny Pickett) and I don't think would be available. Christian Watson (who was productive last season under Rodgers). 2020 was the year they traded for Diggs but they may have had a shot at Justin Jefferson since he went right around the area that we drafted at. Those are just to name a few. Any noteworthy young WR is gonna cost too much money to bring in here. We don't have the cap space for it. Jerry Jeudy? Maybe but how good is he really? It's hard to tell. I say we draft ate own and if we have to move up a bit to grab one then we should. A - Need to stop moving up, and need to start moving down. The teams only getting older moving forward, and you need more draft "lottery tickets". We have extra picks this year in 3 and 6. B - Lot of hindsight here. St. Brown ran a 4.6, which this board would have lost their minds on if we had drafted. Pickens had off-field issues. Diggs was essentially traded straight up for Jefferson - but hindsight is.. we didn't know he'd be on the board at the time we traded. C - Trading in season is always tough and i tend to veer towards a vet. But is that vet going to be better than Shakir/Sherfield/Harty? Are they even the issue or is it the plays, or allen holding the ball? Quote
MAJBobby Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 19 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: We could have moved up a couple spots for Zay Flowers who has been productive. Amon Ra St. Brown, George Pickens (being held back by Kenny Pickett) and I don't think would be available. Christian Watson (who was productive last season under Rodgers). 2020 was the year they traded for Diggs but they may have had a shot at Justin Jefferson since he went right around the area that we drafted at. Those are just to name a few. Any noteworthy young WR is gonna cost too much money to bring in here. We don't have the cap space for it. Jerry Jeudy? Maybe but how good is he really? It's hard to tell. I say we draft ate own and if we have to move up a bit to grab one then we should. ok so a guy that wasnt available and then More Non First round WRs. So again your issue is lets draft for WRs but in the first, and my argument even thought they dont is to draft WRs valued in other rounds much higher because well I need something to support my argument???? Quote
Reed83HOF Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: ok so a guy that wasnt available and then More Non First round WRs. So again your issue is lets draft for WRs but in the first, and my argument even thought they dont is to draft WRs valued in other rounds much higher because well I need something to support my argument???? Part of the reason why I am a bit meh on trading for players at the deadline. Use you picks and players to move around the draft to go grab an eventual diggs replacement in RD 1. I pinch my nose as I say this, but if we aren't great this year, so be it and use this draft to get that WR (provided this class actually has someone). We can always make cap room, but I'm looking for younger playmaker. This year the QB run will help push talent down the board. An off year for us, well... I don't like it, but looking at how we are trending...it's in the back of my mind Quote
Mopreme Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 Sign Suh for vet minimum, trade for WR - McLaurin. Davis is better suites as WR 3. McLaurin paired with Diggs would be amazing. 1 Quote
MAJBobby Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Part of the reason why I am a bit meh on trading for players at the deadline. Use you picks and players to move around the draft to go grab an eventual diggs replacement in RD 1. I pinch my nose as I say this, but if we aren't great this year, so be it and use this draft to get that WR (provided this class actually has someone). We can always make cap room, but I'm looking for younger playmaker. This year the QB run will help push talent down the board. An off year for us, well... I don't like it, but looking at how we are trending...it's in the back of my mind I would love to have a top 3 pick (wont happen to get Marvin Harrison Jr). So now I am comparing say the chances of one of these (my early first round grades) to be where Bills pick. Malik Nabers 6'0 200 top 15 grade - 4.4 40 Emeka Egbuka 6'1 205 top 15 grade - 4.3 40 Keon Coleman 6'4 215 top 15 grade - 4.4 40 Rome Odunze 6'3 211 top 25 grade - 4.4 40 Early it looks like the class is pretty solid even once you go past Harrison Jr. Edited October 23, 2023 by MAJBobby 1 Quote
Buffalo03 Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 47 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: A - Need to stop moving up, and need to start moving down. The teams only getting older moving forward, and you need more draft "lottery tickets". We have extra picks this year in 3 and 6. B - Lot of hindsight here. St. Brown ran a 4.6, which this board would have lost their minds on if we had drafted. Pickens had off-field issues. Diggs was essentially traded straight up for Jefferson - but hindsight is.. we didn't know he'd be on the board at the time we traded. C - Trading in season is always tough and i tend to veer towards a vet. But is that vet going to be better than Shakir/Sherfield/Harty? Are they even the issue or is it the plays, or allen holding the ball? The vet is fine. I'm not against the young vet. But how many are actually available? And how many are actually worth trading for? You don't trade for a young vet just to do it. It has to be a guy that's worth it and what kind of contract is that guy in right now? Odds are, if he is worth trading for, he's not gonna fit under the cap. Or he will be too expensive. A guy like DJ Moore would have been a perfect example for this. But he was too expensive. So, who do we get? Maybe we can get a Hunter Renfrow from the Raiders? Is he the game breaker we need opposite Diggs and can take over for him? I doubt it. He's a nice slot guy but that's it Quote
Buffalo03 Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 46 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: ok so a guy that wasnt available and then More Non First round WRs. So again your issue is lets draft for WRs but in the first, and my argument even thought they dont is to draft WRs valued in other rounds much higher because well I need something to support my argument???? A guy that wasn't available? Justin Jefferson went 22 overall in the draft that year. Guess who gave that pick to the Vikings? He would have been right there for the taking. Ee ended up with Diggs and it worked out but you're trying to jump the gun and say he wasn't avaliable to support an argument when he would have been had we had that pick lol. The other guys I mentioned were the next guys off the board when we picked and have been productive. Late first, early to mid second isn't that much of a drop off. So, yes my argument is valid Quote
MAJBobby Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said: A guy that wasn't available? Justin Jefferson went 22 overall in the draft that year. Guess who gave that pick to the Vikings? He would have been right there for the taking. Ee ended up with Diggs and it worked out but you're trying to jump the gun and say he wasn't avaliable to support an argument when he would have been had we had that pick lol. The other guys I mentioned were the next guys off the board when we picked and have been productive. Late first, early to mid second isn't that much of a drop off. So, yes my argument is valid AFTER TRADING FOR DIGGS so what you wanted to do is what Not trade for Diggs? That is the stance now we should not have traded for Diggs. you are confusing at this point. heck with it yeah don’t trade for anything. Just draft ANY WR in round 1. Who cares if he has a 3rd round grade Edited October 23, 2023 by MAJBobby Quote
Buffalo03 Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: AFTER TRADING FOR DIGGS so what you wanted to do is what Not trade for Diggs? That is the stance now we should not have traded for Diggs. you are confusing at this point. heck with it yeah don’t trade for anything. Just draft ANY WR in round 1. Who cares if he has a 3rd round grade Not saying to take one with a round 3 grade in round 1. I'm not saying we were wrong for trading for Diggs. What I am saying is that had we kept that pick, Jefferson would have been there. That was our pick we gave to them for Diggs. I'm also saying if there is a guy ranked between let's say the 33rd to 40th in the draft and we pick 27th. Is it really that bad to take the guy? Or a reach? I'm not saying to take a guy at 20 something overall that that's the 70th best player in the draft. Who would you trade for right now that has "proven" they are worth it that could be a potential Diggs replacement when he leaves? And can we afford the player? This isn't even just about grabbing a guy in the first round. The first 2 rounds works to. A lot of those guys are 2nd round picks. Michael Pittman is a guy I'd be interested in. He was a 2nd round WR. Would he be available? Is he the type of player that would work for you? Quote
Cuboirs Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 Go inquire but actually try to get! As in go all in and not say we tried but KC or philly had a better offer ... On an actual difference maker Call Suh's agent DT Call Denver on Jeudy WR Call Denver on Surtain CB Call Oakland on they're WR Quote
JaCrispy Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 Imo, the Bills have too many issues to make trades this year…I would just let the season play out and not make any rash decisions… Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 apparently elite players are available for peanuts...... Eagles take advantage again Quote
BaaadThingsMan Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 Make SOME trades 10 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: apparently elite players are available for peanuts...... Eagles take advantage again If they can make trades the rest of the league can too. Let's GO Beane! Bring in some reinforcements. Quote
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