Defense should be embarrassed…

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, Baba Booey said:

So you’re saying McDermott should be embarrassed??? He’s the DC all on his head. Off with his head!!!!

The DC and the HC can't get aligned on strategy. 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, Aimee75 said:

I honestly wish we never even got the lead. I was mentally prepared for  a loss, and I was salty about it, but I was prepared and reached acceptance. Losing the way we did, with them marching down the field, and not even holding them to a FG, but giving them a TD?? It's sickening and somehow made this loss even more painful than it should have been.

 

No, I'm glad we lost the way we did. If you're going to lose, do it in a way that shines a light on the biggest problem. McDermott has nothing to hide behind. His unit choked against the worst offense in the league, after nearly choking against the other worst offense in the league last week. Clarity is good even when it's disappointing.

[oldmanfan]

I know we’re missing 3 All Pro caliber guys, but that last series was absolutely inexcusable.  

[ALG1130]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

No, I'm glad we lost the way we did. If you're going to lose, do it in a way that shines a light on the biggest problem. McDermott has nothing to hide behind. His unit choked against the worst offense in the league, after nearly choking against the other worst offense in the league last week. Clarity is good even when it's disappointing.

I get what you're saying, it's just that it was painful and kind of a cruel way to lose like that.

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, Aimee75 said:

it was painful and kind of a cruel way to lose like that.

 

I hope Pegula feels the same way. That would be one positive to take away from this loss.

[dma0034]

It's like they don't know how to play situational football. Okay Pats have it on their own 25, down 3, 2 time outs, less than 2 minutes to go. Most teams play a soft zone to start. Keep everything in front of them and play for a long FG attempt. Bills blitz and get burned immediately

[Governor]

That looked like Frazier’s defense today. Nowhere to hide now MCD. Cats outa the bag.

[billsfan714]

DL worst performance in a long time.  No heat at all on Jones.

[dave mcbride]

12 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

No, I'm glad we lost the way we did. If you're going to lose, do it in a way that shines a light on the biggest problem. McDermott has nothing to hide behind. His unit choked against the worst offense in the league, after nearly choking against the other worst offense in the league last week. Clarity is good even when it's disappointing.

Good post, but I would argue that their best four starters on D at the beginning were out. It was a practice squad-level unit out there today.

Edited October 23, 2023 by dave mcbride

[Fleezoid]

3 hours ago, damj said:

Mac Jones hung 29 on them,  including a TD in the last 2 minutes. Shorthanded or not,  they were owned today by Mac Jones

 

Other crappy teams made Mac Jones look like crap! He is crap! The Bills just made him look like a top 15 QB.

 

No words (except those).

[Dr.Sack]

The best player cannot throw a pick the first offensive play of the game. Allen’s first throw was embarrassing and inexcusable.

[PatsFanNH]

3 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Hopefully I can get this in before this thread gets buried.

 

Bills had their backup 1T and 3T today, and the guys backing them up are a practice squad player and a guy who had been inactive.

 

The lack of NT was detrimental to the DL, you could see it start when Jones went out but losing Oliver was the kiss of death. Poor DTs + small LBers results in what we saw today. I love our small LBers too, but this defensive performance was predictable. 
 

All the talk of the offense, but Bills MUST bring in a legitimate NT by the trade deadline. 

The Pats have the worst O line in the NFL. The worst! Mac Jones had more time to throw than I have seen since Scar was O line coach. 
 

Injury excuse is just poor. That Pats were missing both of their best Pass Rushers in Uche and Judon, as well as the top 2 corners In Gonzalez and Jonathan Jones. Yet they got constant pressure and contained Diggs as well as a team can contain Diggs. 
 

IMO the Bills saw the Pats as a win just by showing up and found out that wasn’t the case. 

[frostbitmic]

3 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

And Zach Wilson - who when even when we have everyone we make look decent.   

Wilson is 2-0 vs Josh and the Bills ... This team can't beat bottom of the barrel QBs.

[HappyDays]

14 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Good post, but I would argue that their best five starters on D at the beginning were out. It was a practice squad-level unit out there today.

 

DTs were absolutely an issue today, but more than that I thought our gameplan was terrible. The Pats have no talent on offense. It's the exact kind of team where you can afford to just drop back and play for coverage sacks and wait for them to make mistakes. A Leslie Frazier coached defense would have won this game. Instead we blitzed repeatedly including (I think) on the 40 yard screen pass that started their game winning drive.

 

Another issue is that for several years now the defense has suddenly fallen into a rut after looking elite, and it never ends up rebounding. To me that is a huge coaching failure. As other coaches get tape on our defense they are finding ways to beat us and we never have an answer back.

 

I really can't get over that we allowed 29 points to the worst offense in the NFL. It's honestly unbelievable. The Broncos defense will give up less than that, I'm sure of it.

[BillsFanForever19]

3 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

Either they were terrible today, or all the fans here who normally bash Mac Jones, owe him an apology. 😂

 

We've lost the best player on 3 levels of our Defense - Matt Milano at LB, Tre White at CB, and Daquan Jones at Interior D-Line. Not to mention we didn't have Ed Oliver today.

 

Not to say that today or the last few weeks have been acceptable. But when you're starting guys like Tim Settle, Dane Jackson, and Dorian Williams in their stead - that's a massive dropoff.

 

This is not the same Defense that we saw the first few weeks.

[dave mcbride]

24 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

DTs were absolutely an issue today, but more than that I thought our gameplan was terrible. The Pats have no talent on offense. It's the exact kind of team where you can afford to just drop back and play for coverage sacks and wait for them to make mistakes. A Leslie Frazier coached defense would have won this game. Instead we blitzed repeatedly including (I think) on the 40 yard screen pass that started their game winning drive.

 

Another issue is that for several years now the defense has suddenly fallen into a rut after looking elite, and it never ends up rebounding. To me that is a huge coaching failure. As other coaches get tape on our defense they are finding ways to beat us and we never have an answer back.

 

I really can't get over that we allowed 29 points to the worst offense in the NFL. It's honestly unbelievable. The Broncos defense will give up less than that, I'm sure of it.

Good post, but i would argue that the bills’ starting talent level on defense today was between 30 and 32 in the nfl.

Edited October 23, 2023 by dave mcbride

[Goin Breakdown]

4 hours ago, damj said:

Mac Jones hung 29 on them,  including a TD in the last 2 minutes. Shorthanded or not,  they were owned today by Mac Jones

Crazy how we play crap defense against crappy QBs. And we play horrible offense against teams that we are told have horrible defenses (giants for example). Buffalo plays down to their opponents. Either that or they just aren't as good as we think they are. I'm ready to believe that

[dgrochester55]

I know that there are depth issues, but the missed tackles all day are inexcusable.   The last drive started with Stephenson busting through multiple tackles for 30 yards on the very first play. 

 

It also doesn't help that our linebackers are the size of defensive backs and where the hell was Von Miller on that last drive?  I don't care if he has one leg, when you are paying a guy that much, he needs to be out there in the last two minutes going after Mac Jones.  Mac Jones could have sat down and had a quick bite to eat on every play of that drive with the lack of pressure on him.

 

I do not know why we keep insisting on investing two thirds of our cap and draft picks on a bend but don't break cover two defense when we have a QB who is top three on upside in the NFL that we should be building around.

Edited October 23, 2023 by dgrochester55

[LabattBlue]

17 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

We've lost the best player on 3 levels of our Defense - Matt Milano at LB, Tre White at CB, and Daquan Jones at Interior D-Line. Not to mention we didn't have Ed Oliver today.

 

Not to say that today or the last few weeks have been acceptable. But when you're starting guys like Tim Settle, Dane Jackson, and Dorian Williams in their stead - that's a massive dropoff.

 

This is not the same Defense that we saw the first few weeks.

Don’t care how many players on defense are missing. Have you taken a look at the Patriots offensive skill positions? 🤮

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

The defense was given a 3 point lead with a bit under 2 minutes left. All they had to do was stop the worst offense in the NFL 4 times. Instead they gave up a 30-yard screen pass on first down. Damn right they should be embarrassed.

On a one off situation maybe I’d give them some leeway due to injuries and whatnot but this is three games in a row the defense should not have gotten a stop late to seal the game for the opponent