Bring back the K-Gun and the hurry up offense

[GoBills!]

Is it just me or is the Josh calling plays at the line and forcing the opponent no chance to sub the best route we have to score. I feel like the backyard ball Josh can play with our Wr's is best by keeping the D on the toes. I am done with the shotgun draws for 2-3 yards no one is falling for those. 

 

Let Josh be his own playcaller the way Peyton and others do. I'd rather he improvise at the line vs watching the D prepare for the same vanilla 7 plays.

K-Gun needs to come back.

[section122]

I wont say for sure but i believe that allen had to call his own play on the cook td pass.  At this point they need to try something to find rhythm on offense because it has been lacking for 3 straight games.

[GoBills!]

10 minutes ago, section122 said:

I wont say for sure but i believe that allen had to call his own play on the cook td pass.  At this point they need to try something to find rhythm on offense because it has been lacking for 3 straight games.

It seemed that way, I think he has a great grasp on the D and also seeing the match ups. Ball certainly gets spread around more when he is running the hurry up.

[GustheDog33]

A QB calling their own plays is a recipe for disaster in today’s NFL. The D will use the Mic/Comm and destroy an offense that will inevitably get into patterns and predictable rhythms. I am 100% in favor or no huddle and playing hurry-up all game. That is a difficult transition at this point in the season, as well. Mostly due to the conditioning needed to play it. Tempo is only an advantage if your guys are in good enough shape to really do it.

[Bookie Man]

Been saying this for weeks. They definitely need to mix it in. Remember how the Brady Pats would go to it for spurts of the game. Offense needs to give themselves a jumpstart it seems. They looks so lethargic when they try and go ball control and take the play clock down to 4 every time. 

[That's No Moon]

What I will say is that it's two weeks in a row where the offense came alive in the 4th quarter. Presumably that's after they threw out the game plan for the day because it wasn't working. Whether or not Allen was calling his own plays during that I don't know.  What I do know is that the planned, coordinated, part of the offense has been dog water for a long time now.

[sven233]

I don't need the K-Gun offense.  That is a hard offense to run in today's NFL.  But, what I do want is an offense that plays with pace.  I would love to run a modified hurry up where we get to the line immediately and have more time to see what personnel the defense has on the field and control the tempo of the game.  It would also help the offense to stay focused and maybe get into a rhythm.  No, I don't need the K-Gun, but an offense with a sense of urgency and pace would be a welcome change.

[transient]

11 minutes ago, sven233 said:

I don't need the K-Gun offense.  That is a hard offense to run in today's NFL.  But, what I do want is an offense that plays with pace.  I would love to run a modified hurry up where we get to the line immediately and have more time to see what personnel the defense has on the field and control the tempo of the game.  It would also help the offense to stay focused and maybe get into a rhythm.  No, I don't need the K-Gun, but an offense with a sense of urgency and pace would be a welcome change.

If not all game, at least try starting off with it to see if it gets the offense into a rhythm. Speeding things up early might prevent Allen from drifting into a funk for 3 quarters until they’ve pissed away any chance of winning with their banged up defense. 

[Bangarang]

People have been suggesting this after watching a successful 2 minute of 4 minute drill as if this team can sustain it for an entire season or even an entire game.

[TwistofFate]

I think we should operate in the hurry up all the time.  Much more rhythm and doesn't allow their defense to really set up. 

[Pirate Angel]

1 hour ago, GoBills! said:

Is it just me or is the Josh calling plays at the line and forcing the opponent no chance to sub the best route we have to score. I feel like the backyard ball Josh can play with our Wr's is best by keeping the D on the toes. I am done with the shotgun draws for 2-3 yards no one is falling for those. 

 

Let Josh be his own playcaller the way Peyton and others do. I'd rather he improvise at the line vs watching the D prepare for the same vanilla 7 plays.

K-Gun needs to come back.

I was thinking the same thing...we definitely need a more aggressive attack

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, GoBills! said:

Is it just me or is the Josh calling plays at the line and forcing the opponent no chance to sub the best route we have to score. I feel like the backyard ball Josh can play with our Wr's is best by keeping the D on the toes. I am done with the shotgun draws for 2-3 yards no one is falling for those. 

 

Let Josh be his own playcaller the way Peyton and others do. I'd rather he improvise at the line vs watching the D prepare for the same vanilla 7 plays.

K-Gun needs to come back.

you want mr ‘don’t like to over indulge on film’ to call the plays? 🤦‍♂️ 

[SoMAn]

Something I’ve noticed is that the offense appears to have more efficiency and better rhythm at a faster pace. I don’t know that ‘no-huddle’ is exactly right, but I believe Allen operates better in a fast-break offense. 
 

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, That's No Moon said:

What I will say is that it's two weeks in a row where the offense came alive in the 4th quarter. Presumably that's after they threw out the game plan for the day because it wasn't working. Whether or not Allen was calling his own plays during that I don't know.  What I do know is that the planned, coordinated, part of the offense has been dog water for a long time now.

It's not 2 weeks in a row....it's 3 weeks in a row they did the same thing in London. Not saying it'd work but they did.

37 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

People have been suggesting this after watching a successful 2 minute of 4 minute drill as if this team can sustain it for an entire season or even an entire game.

The other teams defense would also have to keep up. Also you only need to be fast when the game is close, if it works well you can slow down. Still a lot of what ifs on if it's a good idea though.

[Trogdor]

1 hour ago, GoBills! said:

Is it just me or is the Josh calling plays at the line and forcing the opponent no chance to sub the best route we have to score. I feel like the backyard ball Josh can play with our Wr's is best by keeping the D on the toes. I am done with the shotgun draws for 2-3 yards no one is falling for those. 

 

Let Josh be his own playcaller the way Peyton and others do. I'd rather he improvise at the line vs watching the D prepare for the same vanilla 7 plays.

K-Gun needs to come back.

Josh is not now nor will he probably ever be anywhere near Peyton when it comes to on field intelligence. He has a hard enough time with progressions and still can't recognize coverages. He is a physical freak and that's still very valuable, but he needs a system and this 12 personnel is not it. Spreading the field and making defenses choose between coverage or a spy was where he flourished. 

[GoBills!]

5 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

It's not 2 weeks in a row....it's 3 weeks in a row they did the same thing in London. Not saying it'd work but they did.

The other teams defense would also have to keep up. Also you only need to be fast when the game is close, if it works well you can slow down. Still a lot of what ifs on if it's a good idea though.

That how I felt it wasn't during prevent D times or garbage time. But I feel it is harder for them to react when we are on the fly, Diggs, Kincaid, Cook and Murray are  great for this setup. Even Gabe was great in the drive in London. 

 

Maybe we don't do it all game but I'd rather start a game with that vs the usual 3 and outs we be doing for the first couple of series.

[harmonkillebrew]

I was just thinking this.

I remember when the K-Gun started. It was a similar dynamic. The O was consistently humming in 2-min hurry up and middling the rest of the time. Marchibroda made the call to let Kelly go hurry up full-time. 

 

I think Dorsey is hamstringing this team and we might try a mix up that lets Josh start cooking and get into a rhythm 

[Billz4ever]

1 hour ago, GoBills! said:

Is it just me or is the Josh calling plays at the line and forcing the opponent no chance to sub the best route we have to score. I feel like the backyard ball Josh can play with our Wr's is best by keeping the D on the toes. I am done with the shotgun draws for 2-3 yards no one is falling for those. 

 

Let Josh be his own playcaller the way Peyton and others do. I'd rather he improvise at the line vs watching the D prepare for the same vanilla 7 plays.

K-Gun needs to come back.

I'm for trying anything at this point because what they're doing is clearly not working.

 

It's not until the 4th quarter in hurry up before we start scoring so might as well see if we can get it going in the other 3 quarters too.

[BADOLBILZ]

54 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

People have been suggesting this after watching a successful 2 minute of 4 minute drill as if this team can sustain it for an entire season or even an entire game.

 

 

you forgot to ad "forever" after "suggesting".

 

But the reality is that they need to play with a lot more urgency on offense to get in front of teams and "allow the defense to pin it's ears back on the DL and cover"........to paraphrase McD postgame today.

 

The issues with playing faster:

 

1) They don't have to the playmaking personnel that they can just leave on the field in all down and distance situations.   They've added a bunch of spare parts to "hopefully" be better situationally but they don't have enough playmakers that they can just leave on the field for 8-12 plays and trap a defense into favorable looks.    This allows defense's to substitute and match up better and execute their game plan.  Which typically includes slowing/shortening the game and subsequently limiting the Bills scoring opportunities in the process.

 

2) With the injuries on defense they lack the depth they once had to play 15-18 minute defensive halves if the uptempo style isn't speedboating the opponent.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 22, 2023 by BADOLBILZ

[Niagara Dude]

2 hours ago, GoBills! said:

Is it just me or is the Josh calling plays at the line and forcing the opponent no chance to sub the best route we have to score. I feel like the backyard ball Josh can play with our Wr's is best by keeping the D on the toes. I am done with the shotgun draws for 2-3 yards no one is falling for those. 

 

Let Josh be his own playcaller the way Peyton and others do. I'd rather he improvise at the line vs watching the D prepare for the same vanilla 7 plays.

K-Gun needs to come back.

Yes please,  I was commenting all game the Bills were playing into the Patriots hand playing slow and burning clock.  Patriots had plenty of time to prepare and switch personal because Bills were playing slow and using the whole play clock.