How bad is Allen's shoulder, REALLY?

[Maynard]

Definitely bothering him. Saw him get up grimacing on a few occasions that seemed to be related to the shoulder.

[PayDaBill$]

The more I think about it, the more uncomfortable JA looks trying to be pocket guy.  It really neutered his instincts, changed his aggressive nature & altered his game.

[MPT]

It's not his shoulder. It's his mindset. His body language on the sideline tells you he doesn't care about bad drives or turnovers. If the offense isn't hot right out of the gate, it's like he becomes completely disinterested this year. It really looks to me like he doesn't believe in the offense he's running. When I'm doing my job well and my boss tells me to do it his way instead, regardless of the asinine quality of his way, I don't give a ***** if it fails. I think it's the same thing with Josh.

[MPT]

  On 10/22/2023 at 9:02 PM, NUT said:

Allen is the one who lobbied for Dorsey. This is why I hate continuity. Hire the best coaches possible.

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Agreed. I'd bet money that part of Allen's psychological struggles right now is the knowledge that he lobbied for the wrong guy and doomed multiple seasons.

[Aussie Joe]

  On 10/22/2023 at 9:20 PM, BUFFALOBART said:

We were 7-6, during the season of ‘13 seconds’. Everybody, get a grip.

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Oh great.. another happy ending ahead 

[TwistofFate]

Not that bad imo.  That last throw to Diggs was on a rope and right on target.  If Diggs could have held on, we would have had one more shot to win from the 30ish.

[Aussie Joe]

  On 10/22/2023 at 9:34 PM, BUFFALOBART said:

Consult with Robert Craft, about that. Speaking in the past tense, of course! 😉

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You must have had him on your mind when you mentioned “get a grip”… 👍

[4merper4mer]

  On 10/22/2023 at 8:11 PM, BuffaloBillyG said:

Today was a complete failure on so many fronts and I'm sure there will be many threads dedicated to those.

 

However, is it fair to wonder if that shoulder injury is something more than what they let on? He had SEVERAL throws that were off. Just didn't seem to have the accurate ball placement he had early on. Even completions were off target a few times.

 

Then on the last play of the game our huge armed QB just.....doesn't....uncork one? That seems really off to me.

 

I'm positive he'll say the shoulder is all good and didn't play into it at all....but the eye test really says otherwise.

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That was more between the ears than the shoulder.  He attempted plenty of long/hard throws.

[Aussie Joe]

  On 10/22/2023 at 9:38 PM, BUFFALOBART said:

 

I can’t speak for your projection, but perhaps you need a GF?

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You offering yours? 

[Aussie Joe]

  On 10/22/2023 at 9:43 PM, BUFFALOBART said:

You can find one, for $20. That is about your speed. 😉

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well .. you would know the pricing 

[BADOLBILZ]

  On 10/22/2023 at 8:16 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Allen’s problem is 100% between his ears 

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That's always his biggest problem but they are also at a confluence of having to scheme around a lack of playmakers and subsequently allowing defenses to match up.

 

If they had the talent to keep the same 11 players on the field on all downs and distances they could run tempo and negate much of what teams are doing schematically to limit Buffalo offensively/shorten games.    Instead they play into the hands of opponents,  running slow developing clock grinding drives that allow lesser offense's to remain two dimensional all game.......which stresses the Bills vulnerability against the run and screen games.

 

 

[jcamm1966]

he started going downhill when he started dating actresses

[UKBillFan]

  On 10/22/2023 at 8:58 PM, MPT said:

It's not his shoulder. It's his mindset. His body language on the sideline tells you he doesn't care about bad drives or turnovers. If the offense isn't hot right out of the gate, it's like he becomes completely disinterested this year. It really looks to me like he doesn't believe in the offense he's running. When I'm doing my job well and my boss tells me to do it his way instead, regardless of the asinine quality of his way, I don't give a ***** if it fails. I think it's the same thing with Josh.

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I was thinking this. Said on the Post Game Thread, I feel all of the fun has been sucked out of the game for Josh, and he isn't enjoying taken the field anymore with the long drives. Even though there can be logic behind it.

 

Physically, Josh is the best QB in NFL and I stick by that. I'll stick by that no matter how many dispute or argue the point. But he is effected more than most by mistakes, and allows emotions to cloud his judgement.

 

In all honesty, I think the Bills need a Quarterback Whisperer.

[Beast]

It’s so bad that he overthrew a wide open Stefon Diggs 60 yards down the field.

 

It’s so bad that he was able to lead the team to TD’s when the team was desperate in the last 7 minutes.

 

Allen’s should is fine.

[Bookie Man]

Nobody's 100% in the NFL.

[MPT]

  On 10/22/2023 at 9:56 PM, UKBillFan said:

 

I was thinking this. Said on the Post Game Thread, I feel all of the fun has been sucked out of the game for Josh, and he isn't enjoying taken the field anymore with the long drives. Even though there can be logic behind it.

 

Physically, Josh is the best QB in NFL and I stick by that. I'll stick by that no matter how many dispute or argue the point. But he is effected more than most by mistakes, and allows emotions to cloud his judgement.

 

In all honesty, I think the Bills need a Quarterback Whisperer.

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He is probably the best football player in the NFL. But he's also just a top 3 QB who plays like an average QB when he's not in the right head space.

[UKBillFan]

  On 10/22/2023 at 10:06 PM, MPT said:

 

He is probably the best football player in the NFL. But he's also just a top 3 QB who plays like an average QB when he's not in the right head space.

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I think the issue is, when he's not in the right head space, he can look like a rookie QB. And I'm starting to wonder if that will ever change.