How Good is Josh Allen Really?

[GoBills808]

11 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Third in EPA, second in qbr, first in completion percentage, first in fantasy points. Made 3 or 4 throws in that giants second half that no other human can make. 
No doubter first ballot hall of famer even if the bills don’t win a Super Bowl. 

 

Also first in TDs

 

again

[Gunsgoodtime]

Good enough to dump the coaching staff and any players not named Diggs if necessary 

[hondo in seattle]

For those making Kelly-Allen comparisons, one difference is that Kelly could rely on Thurman when he was having a bad days, or receivers were struggling to get open, or the OL was screwing up passpro.  Josh can't do that.  He carries the load by himself. 

 

Insofar as there is a problem, that's part of it.  

[Buffalo716]

Really ***** good

[dollars 2 donuts]

 

It boggles my mind to imagine Josh Allen playing behind Will Wolford, Jim Ritcher, Kent Hull, John Davis and Howard Ballard.

 

it would be “Josh Allen: The Record Mutilator.”

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

It boggles my mind to imagine Josh Allen playing behind Will Wolford, Jim Ritcher, Kent Hull, John Davis and Howard Ballard.

 

it would be “Josh Allen: The Record Mutilator.”

 

 

 

 

He will still do that : )

[Pete]

How Good is Josh Allen Really?

 

REALLY FRIGGIN GOOD!  SPECTACULAR EVEN!

[thenorthremembers]

8 hours ago, Utah John said:

Are you sure about the HOF?  Look at how QBs of 20 years ago, and how they're evaluated.  How many SBs did he win?  How many times was he All-Pro?  How many times was he picked for the Pro Bowl?  No one asks about the eye test, how good the guy was, because 20 years from now people will not remember the terrific plays.  With luck, before Josh is done, he'll have checked all those boxes, but there are so many good QBs including the consensus best, Mahomes, he'll struggle to get that done.

Am I sure he'll make the HOF, no.  What I said was, if he keeps up the numbers he has, he will be in the top 5-10 of every statistical category for QBs.   I am not sure he will keep those numbers up, a lot can happen, injury etc.

 

I think the Bills will win a Superbowl with Josh.  If he gets one and keeps putting up the numbers his career will be very comparable to Favre's.  If he never wins one, he probably ends up just a bit better than Rivers, also a very good QB.

 

Bottom line is this, going back to the original question, he is a fantastic QB.

Edited October 21, 2023 by thenorthremembers

[Freddie's Dead]

JP Allen is the best QB in the NFL. 

[Buffalo03]

18 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

We all know fans who believe McD should be fired if we don't get to the Super Bowl when we have Josh Allen as our QB.

 

But Josh has given us some clunkers.  There are games when he bails out of the pocket when he doesn't need to, makes bad decisions with the ball, and delivers errant throws.

 

But are Josh's subpar games truly his fault?

Sometimes I put the blame squarely on Dorsey for poor play design and bad play-calling.

 

And when I blame Dorsey, McD deserves his share of blame too.  He made Dorsey the OC and oversees the entire team.  He doesn't escape culpability.

 

But sometimes I blame the receivers who, at times, struggle to gain separation.  (Though maybe that's more of a Dorsey problem).  

And some games I blame the OL.  Josh has spent much of his career in Buffalo scrambling for his life.

 

Of course, Beane deserves some blame, too.  He's never prioritized the OL.  You would think that when you've found a generational QB, you'd build a line to protect his health and well-being as well as give him time to throw.  Beane didn't do that.  

 

There are days when Josh looks like one of the best to ever play the game.  Other times, not so much.  So, I've been wondering how good Josh really is and who's principally to blame when he's not as productive and efficient as he 'ought' to be.  

Why does it need to be explained to you that every QB has clunkers. That shouldn't have to be explained. And you sound like you can't make up your mind

 

You: "how good is Josh Allen, really? He's given us clunkers. But sometimes I blame McDermott and Dorsey. Other times I blame our WRs that don't get open the way they should. Sometimes I blame Beane for just drafting him. Other times I wanna say it's the fans being to loud. Most times I think the referees hate Josh and our oline really sucks. But is Josh really that good? It makes me wonder"

 

Make up your mind. And for the 2nd time in this post. All QBs have clunkers. No QB is spot on all the time and again, this shouldn't have to be explained 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

The second best football player on the planet.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

37 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Why does it need to be explained to you that every QB has clunkers. That shouldn't have to be explained. And you sound like you can't make up your mind

 

You: "how good is Josh Allen, really? He's given us clunkers. But sometimes I blame McDermott and Dorsey. Other times I blame our WRs that don't get open the way they should. Sometimes I blame Beane for just drafting him. Other times I wanna say it's the fans being to loud. Most times I think the referees hate Josh and our oline really sucks. But is Josh really that good? It makes me wonder"

 

Make up your mind. And for the 2nd time in this post. All QBs have clunkers. No QB is spot on all the time and again, this shouldn't have to be explained 

This year especially…like idk if people have blinders on or what haha. Kc,philly,cincy,baltimore have all been very up and down on offense.  KC is getting carried by their defense or they’re a .500 team right now most likely…unfortunately we don’t have that luxury missing all our best defensive players.  
 

the whole Super Bowl or bust because your qb is good mentality is kind of ridiculous…the best qbs in recent history not named Brady have won 0 or 1 or 2 in their entire careers. Mahomes will likely get more but time will tell how many more 

Edited October 21, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Bookie Man]

[Buffalo03]

18 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

This year especially…like idk if people have blinders on or what haha. Kc,philly,cincy,baltimore have all been very up and down on offense.  KC is getting carried by their defense or they’re a .500 team right now most likely…unfortunately we don’t have that luxury missing all our best defensive players.  
 

the whole Super Bowl or bust because your qb is good mentality is kind of ridiculous…the best qbs in recent history not named Brady have won 0 or 1 or 2 in their entire careers. 

Exactly. There really isn't that completely dominant team this year. Some much better than others obviously. But asking if Josh is really that good because he has given us clunkers? Which great QBs didn't from time to time?

[frostbitmic]

Clearly he's the right Josh -

 

When he's on, he's as good as any QB in the game. Week 4 vs Miami was a masterpiece.

 

When he's off he looks confused, hurried, and makes bad decisions. I think he can focus too much on Diggs at times and misses open receivers.  In 6 games this year, he's had 2 good games, 1 phenomenal game and 3 off games.

 

Sometime during the off season, Josh said something that raised an eyebrow... he said that this year he'd be more focused ... When I heard that I thought,WTF, Why aren't you always focused ? ... Anywho, I much prefer having him in a Bills uni than in an opponents uni.

[starrymessenger]

As many have said when he's on there is quite simply nobody better. He's been compared to Favre based on his remarkable skillset and gunslinger mentality. The Bills are trying to manage his aggressiveness by having him execute from the pocket and that remains a work in progress. If he cannot continue to mature and develop above the shoulders within the offence they want him to run it may well be that the Favre comparison winds up being even more accurate. Favre´s career was up and down with incredible highs and quite a few head scratching lows, some mediocre seasons and some gut wrenching turnovers ( even when he was playing well).. Sometimes I get resigned to the opinion that that is what Josh will serve up rather than executing at a high level with consistency. Of course Favre is an all time great and fully deserving of his admission to the HOF. Allen is not less talented than Favre and with any luck he will win a championship. There is every reason to think that Allen can follow the same path as Favre. Of course Josh is a bright guy and while IQ, even football IQ, is not necessarily the same as QB processing speed, there is a chance he can actually get even better.

Mahomes is a great player but I'm not sure that with an offensive minded HC like Reid Josh might not have turned out even better than he is or with the Bills that Mahomes would be nearly as successful as he's been in KC. Mind you the Bills have so done a good job developing Allen. They haven't done to him what the Colts did to Luck, a great QB that will never make the Hall.

[Niagara Dude]

20 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

We all know fans who believe McD should be fired if we don't get to the Super Bowl when we have Josh Allen as our QB.

 

But Josh has given us some clunkers.  There are games when he bails out of the pocket when he doesn't need to, makes bad decisions with the ball, and delivers errant throws.

 

But are Josh's subpar games truly his fault?

Sometimes I put the blame squarely on Dorsey for poor play design and bad play-calling.

 

And when I blame Dorsey, McD deserves his share of blame too.  He made Dorsey the OC and oversees the entire team.  He doesn't escape culpability.

 

But sometimes I blame the receivers who, at times, struggle to gain separation.  (Though maybe that's more of a Dorsey problem).  

And some games I blame the OL.  Josh has spent much of his career in Buffalo scrambling for his life.

 

Of course, Beane deserves some blame, too.  He's never prioritized the OL.  You would think that when you've found a generational QB, you'd build a line to protect his health and well-being as well as give him time to throw.  Beane didn't do that.  

 

There are days when Josh looks like one of the best to ever play the game.  Other times, not so much.  So, I've been wondering how good Josh really is and who's principally to blame when he's not as productive and efficient as he 'ought' to be.  

13 Secs ,  end of story

[Einstein]

Maybe Allen saw this thread? 😂

 

 

[TheFunPolice]

I would say good.... to quite good

[ToGoGo]

2 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

This year especially…like idk if people have blinders on or what haha. Kc,philly,cincy,baltimore have all been very up and down on offense.  KC is getting carried by their defense or they’re a .500 team right now most likely…unfortunately we don’t have that luxury missing all our best defensive players.  
 

the whole Super Bowl or bust because your qb is good mentality is kind of ridiculous…the best qbs in recent history not named Brady have won 0 or 1 or 2 in their entire careers. Mahomes will likely get more but time will tell how many more 

They don’t know what winning looks like. How many perennial winning season did the Ravens or Steelers have compared to their SBs? 10:1? 
 

Pats and Chiefs are serious exceptions, and whether people want to ignore it or not, the Pats SBs have been tied to cheating. 
 

These fans play the game of extremes. If you are not as good as the very best, then you are no good at all. A projection of their own internal low self esteem.