How Good is Josh Allen Really?

[Aussie Joe]

There is no other QB currently playing that I would prefer to JA…

 

But unlike a year ago… I no longer think that he will definitely win a Championship at some stage …. But I’ll keep hoping for the best 

[balln]

5 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

Allen is the best QB this league has ever seen and it’s no even close. The only other player of his caliber was Elway imo

This is ridiculous. The best qb ever? He doesn’t look like Allen did at home vs Cincy in the playoffs 

[SoTier]

4 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

We all know fans who believe McD should be fired if we don't get to the Super Bowl when we have Josh Allen as our QB.

 

But Josh has given us some clunkers.  There are games when he bails out of the pocket when he doesn't need to, makes bad decisions with the ball, and delivers errant throws.

 

But are Josh's subpar games truly his fault?

Sometimes I put the blame squarely on Dorsey for poor play design and bad play-calling.

 

And when I blame Dorsey, McD deserves his share of blame too.  He made Dorsey the OC and oversees the entire team.  He doesn't escape culpability.

 

But sometimes I blame the receivers who, at times, struggle to gain separation.  (Though maybe that's more of a Dorsey problem).  

And some games I blame the OL.  Josh has spent much of his career in Buffalo scrambling for his life.

 

Of course, Beane deserves some blame, too.  He's never prioritized the OL.  You would think that when you've found a generational QB, you'd build a line to protect his health and well-being as well as give him time to throw.  Beane didn't do that.  

 

There are days when Josh looks like one of the best to ever play the game.  Other times, not so much.  So, I've been wondering how good Josh really is and who's principally to blame when he's not as productive and efficient as he 'ought' to be.  

 

The last time I looked, there are defenses in every game trying to stop the offense from scoring.

 

3 hours ago, Araiza Curse said:

I’m done making excuses for Allen. When you compare rosters vs KC. I don’t see that much of an advantage.

 

I've never seen any post of yours ever making an excuse for Allen.   🙄

 

3 hours ago, Araiza Curse said:

We need to start identifying the problems. is it coaching or is it talent? If you guys truly believe that Allen is being held back, then we need to do something about that before he is totally wasted and not wait around. 

 

It sounds like you're advocating some kind of revolution.   Are you and your army of indignant fans going to storm One Bills Drive, take Terry Pegula hostage, and force Beane, McDermott et al to resign?

 

3 hours ago, BananaB said:

Before Mahommes the Chiefs were racking up double digit win seasons with the same cast. 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

Before Mahomes, Andy Reid was considered a coach who couldn't win "the big one".

 

[Cray51]

26 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I’m not joining this argument because it’s already taken place about a dozen times. But you really need to take some basic math classes. 

Burrow has 48 starts vs 82 starts for Josh. Which makes most of the stats you’re hand picking still in favor of Burrow on a per game bases. 
 

 

I only took stats from the previous two seasons, where both QBs played at least 16 games.

[90sBills]

5 hours ago, BananaB said:

Before Mahommes the Chiefs were racking up double digit win seasons with the same cast. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Yup. They were also getting bounced in the first playoff game all but 1 year and never got closed to making a superbowl much less winning one. Mahomes changed all that from the time he stepped on to the field. 

 

Josh is a great qb and hopefully will take the Bills where they want to be. But we don’t need to diminish the best qb in the league to praise our qb. It’s ok to be 2nd best. 

[balln]

Just now, 90sBills said:

Yup. They were also getting bounced in the first playoff game all but 1 year and never got closed to making a superbowl much less winning one. Mahomes changed all that from the time he stepped on to the field. 

 

Josh is a great qb and hopefully will take the Bills where they want to be. But we don’t need to diminish the best qb in the league to praise our qb. It’s ok to be 2nd best. 

3rd best

[Buffalo Super Fan]

How good is Josh Allen? I have followed the Buffalo Bills since 1975. The three best football players I have ever seen on the Buffalo Bills are in number order. 

1. Josh Allen 

2. O.J. Simpson 

3. Bruce Smith

 

I didn’t grow up watching the 1960’s Buffalo Bills so I can’t rate Cookie Gilchrist and players like that. Josh Allen just on his short body of work is number one and I have been watching the Bills for almost 50 years. Josh Allen is the best Buffalo Bills player. Now Josh Allen isn’t John Tavares of the Buffalo Bandits until he wins a Super Bowl. John Tavares is the best Buffalo player in uniform I ever saw play for a Buffalo sports team college or professionally he won as a player 4 times and once as a coach he is number one for me as a Buffalo sports fan in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[FitzShowUsYourTitz]

I have to say this is the BEST thread topic ever!

 

#HotTake

#CheersToOP

#KeepThemComing

[Ponch]

6 hours ago, Logic said:

Fair question.

I think that Josh Allen is a no-doubt-about-it top five QB. Probably top 3. 

He is on pace to have a Hall of Fame level career. One championship will make it a no-brainer.

I think that Josh Allen can sometimes be beaten mentally. Certain defenses and defensive coordinators know how to get into his head, make him question what he's seeing, not trust his eyes, and overthink things. We've seen it against the Jets. We've seen it two years in a row against the Jaguars. We saw it against Wink Martindale and the Giants. The Steelers gave him fits the first two times he played them.

Josh Allen's greatest opponent is his own mind. When he's feeling confident, gets into a rhythm, and trusts what he sees, he's nearly unstoppable. That's not hyperbole -- when he's in that zone, he very literally CANNOT be stopped. When he can't get into a rhythm, is lacking in confidence, is not trusting what he's seeing, he becomes his own worst enemy. He starts pressing and overthinking things and the offense grinds to a halt.

So to answer the original question succinctly: Josh Allen is elite, and may go down as one of the greatest of all time. He is not without weaknesses, though, and his primary weakness is the ability of the opposition to beat him mentally via quality defensive scheming and by making him question what he's seeing.

Bravo Mike Schoop... that is your Avatar right? A hairy Mike Schoop. You saved this thread for me ...very well, logical.

[90sBills]

22 minutes ago, balln said:

3rd best

I’m assuming you think Burrow is 2nd? I’d take Allen over Burrow but I could see someone thinking the reverse. 

[Utah John]

7 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Hes the 2nd best QB in football right now.   If he keeps up the numbers he's a hall of famer.  So overall, really good.

Are you sure about the HOF?  Look at how QBs of 20 years ago, and how they're evaluated.  How many SBs did he win?  How many times was he All-Pro?  How many times was he picked for the Pro Bowl?  No one asks about the eye test, how good the guy was, because 20 years from now people will not remember the terrific plays.  With luck, before Josh is done, he'll have checked all those boxes, but there are so many good QBs including the consensus best, Mahomes, he'll struggle to get that done.

Edited October 21, 2023 by Utah John

[Orlando Buffalo]

Josh is incredibly good, but unfortunately also has games that he loses by himself ala Jets week one. When he is on he is definitely the best ever, if he truly learns not to push ball improperly he will be GOAT by a large margin. To those bashing him he had the greatest two game stretch in playoff history, unfortunately the defense was not up to the task.

[without a drought]

He's no Trent Dilfer.

[juno999]

1 hour ago, balln said:

Nah. The elite - Mannings / Brady’s make everyone around them “good.” 
 

Ball is out / to the right receiver at the right time 

You overestimate Burrow and underestimate Allen.

[78thealltimegreat]

3 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

You found the 1 guy that made it without a Superbowl. I only asked the question if that was even possible and apparently there is 1 guy ever. I wouldn't put Josh in that category. Hopefully he has 10 more years to prove me wrong and not 5 more like Cam Newton

Dan Fouts, Kenny Anderson, and Fran Tarkenton also say hello 

[Brand J]

Prior to this season, Burrow was always thought of as having the higher floor (see QB ratings). His lows weren’t as low as Allen and his highs were almost as equal. This season he’s had some real clunkers, so I’m no longer sure. He’s not playing with the same confidence and consistency he’s always been known for, regardless of the reason. 

[without a drought]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Allen is in his 6th season.

 

In Cams 6th season he was already toast. He had 19 TD’s and 14 INT’s that season.

 

Allen is so superior to Cam that i’ve never understood the comparison.

 

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Cam's 5th season was really his only good season out of 11. I think people only remember the highlights and injuries.

[LABILLBACKER]

Josh is a HOF caliber qb who's athletically better than Kelly. He's is hardly w/o blame but for the most part he's carried this team for 5 1/2 years. The Bills organization has failed JA the most by not emphasizing the OL.  What the Bills did this offseason to slightly upgrade the OL was not nearly enough.  Our run game is still inconsistent and additional blockers are needed to babysit Spencer.  Josh's shoulder injury was because Dion got beat.  If this organization ever wants to get serious about winning a Lombardi,  it's starts on the OL.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Third in EPA, second in qbr, first in completion percentage, first in fantasy points. Made 3 or 4 throws in that giants second half that no other human can make. 
No doubter first ballot hall of famer even if the bills don’t win a Super Bowl. 

 

[Beck Water]

8 hours ago, RG Murdock said:

C'mon. This is nothing but caveat filled word salad. Sadly, anyone with a keyboard can post and waste our time with pointless gibberish. These same generalized comments could apply to Daniel Jones, or Bryce Young. The moderators should have higher standards here.    

 

Huh.