How Good is Josh Allen Really?

[Success]

Who played better in the 13 seconds game?

 

It's close, but I'd be surprised if anyone said Mahomes.  But he got the W, and Allen got the L.

 

[Mikie2times]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Are we supposed to believe you think Jimmy Garoppolo is a better QB than Allen because winning%

Nobody is trying to make the argument that winning% is ALL that matters. When the rest of the stats are relative as they're with all of the "best" then yes, winning% matters. Otherwise John Elway and Dan Marino would be best the best of all time. In the history of the NFL winning % in big games has been used to determine the elite from the not elite sinec the leagues inception. So in this context, it matters. It probably matters more than anything else. The stats are all but equal. Burrow has more playoff and one on one success. To say Allen is a clear anything over him is just not close. 

[Billl]

6 minutes ago, Success said:

Who played better in the 13 seconds game?

 

It's close, but I'd be surprised if anyone said Mahomes.  But he got the W, and Allen got the L.

 

Mahomes had more passing yards, more rushing yards, completed a higher percentage of his passes, had the same number of total TDs, and didn’t fumble.

[GoBills808]

Just now, Mikie2times said:

Nobody is trying to make the argument that winning% is ALL that matters. When the rest of the stats are relative as they're with all of the "best" then yes, winning% matters. Otherwise John Elway and Dan Marino would be best the best of all time. In the history of the NFL winning % in big games has been used to determine the elite from the not elite sinec the leagues inception. So in this context, it matters. It probably matters more than anything else. The stats are all but equal. Burrow has more playoff and one on one success. To say Allen is a clear anything over him is just not close. 

Just please go look at playoff performances Burrow and Allen before you say that the stats are all but equal lol

[Success]

2 minutes ago, Billl said:

Mahomes had more passing yards, more rushing yards, completed a higher percentage of his passes, had the same number of total TDs, and didn’t fumble.

 

Interesting. So NOW the stats matter.....

 

[Billl]

Just now, Success said:

 

Interesting. So NOW the stats matter.....

 

WTF are you talking about?  Mahomes had better stats across the board AND won the game.  What other metric do you want to use?

[Success]

Just now, Billl said:

WTF are you talking about?  Mahomes had better stats across the board AND won the game.  What other metric do you want to use?

 

How about the 4th quarter?  How about when it counted?  Allen was better that game. The D let him down.

 

As to "what I'm talking about," you contradicted yourself from when we were comparing JA to Cam.  In their 5th year, JA had better stats across the board.  Cam won MVP, though - which made him "superior", per you.

 

You come here to hear people say Mahomes and KC are amazing, and woe is us that we'll never be as good.  I won't say those things, because that's not how I feel about the 2 QB's, or the 2 teams.

 

[90sBills]

18 minutes ago, BananaB said:

I don’t know who’s better. Like I said, totally different situations. You compliment Mahommes for what he’s done in the playoffs and how much he led the team but you fail to acknowledge Andy Reid is still his coach and his job to put Mahommes and everyone else on offense to be successful. That’s big difference than what Allen has had looking over him, and it’s not even ***** close. 

Reid is a much better offensive coach than what the Bills have. Coaching is a big part of the puzzle. But it isn’t the biggest part. Players are the biggest part. And there’s no player bigger than the quarterback in today’s processional football. If it’s just having the right coach Belicheck wouldn’t be struggling as much as he has since Brady left. At some point great QBs win regardless of where they’re drafted. That’s why they are the leaders of their teams and make the most bucks. At some point you can’t keep using coaching as an excuse for a qb that hasn’t gotten it done. Going into year 6th we’re getting near that point. 

 

20 minutes ago, Success said:.

 

Is Mahomes "better"?  Objectively, I agree w/ that one conclusion - he is right now. But "right now" is the operative term there.  We'll be able to judge that better in 10 years or so.  For my own part, I'd take Allen over Mahomes 10x out of 10.

 

Right now is all we have to work with. Future hypotheticals are not guaranteed so it doesn’t make sense to use any of those ‘feelings’. We’d all like to think that Allen will get his one day but that’s not a guaranteed. And with each passing year it becomes less and less of a possibility. 

[mabden]

Kelly had plenty of "clunkers" including a couple of super bowls.

[Billl]

10 minutes ago, Success said:

How about the 4th quarter?  How about when it counted?

Allen in the 4th quarter:  8/15 107 yards

Mahomes in 4th and overtime:  11/15 186 yards

[jethro_tull]

Really? 

[Success]

4 minutes ago, Billl said:

Allen in the 4th quarter:  8/15 107 yards

Mahomes in 4th and overtime:  11/15 186 yards

 

Did Allen play in OT?  Can't recall....

 

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, Aimee75 said:

Being on a "winning team" is fine and all, but I have a feeling he has bigger goals. 

They all do and being on a winning team helps them get there.

[Billsfan1972]

12 minutes ago, Billl said:

Allen in the 4th quarter:  8/15 107 yards

Mahomes in 4th and overtime:  11/15 186 yards

Check again as Allen's #'s wrong.  And thanks for including OT.  

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay/_/gameId/401326633

[Billl]

1 minute ago, Success said:

 

Did Allen play in OT?  Can't recall....

 

I recall.  He didn’t because Mahomes went 2/2 for 44 yards in 10 seconds to put his team in range to tie the game with a FG and then went 6/6 for 61 yards and a TD in overtime.  I realize that doesn’t fall into your definition of “when it counts” because, in a thread about how good Josh is, the only answer you’ll accept is “OMG he’s the best of all time”.  It doesn’t matter that other QBs have won MVPs, Super Bowls, have better records, better stats, etc.  None of that matters to you.  

 

Josh is 4-4 in the postseason including a 27-10 loss last year, but postseason records don’t matter.  Josh has never won a Super Bowl, but championships don’t matter.  Josh has never taken the Bills to the #1 seed in the conference, but regular season wins don’t matter.  Josh has never won an MVP, but MVPs don’t matter.  The only thing that matters is the logo on the helmet and as long as there’s a buffalo on his helmet, then by God Josh is the GOAT.

5 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Check again as Allen's #'s wrong.  And thanks for including OT.  

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay/_/gameId/401326633

You’re right.  He was 9/16 for 107 yards.  I said 8/15 for 107 originally.

[f0neguy]

Just curious…. How many of Mahomes 4th quarter and OT yards were Hill running by himself after catching the ball?  Yeah I know they’re “passing yards” but comparing RAC between us and KC is eye opening.  Allen was better that game regardless of stats.

[ToGoGo]

Lots of big time Chiefs fans in this thread. 

[Success]

7 minutes ago, Billl said:

I recall.  He didn’t because Mahomes went 2/2 for 44 yards in 10 seconds to put his team in range to tie the game with a FG and then went 6/6 for 61 yards and a TD in overtime.  I realize that doesn’t fall into your definition of “when it counts” because, in a thread about how good Josh is, the only answer you’ll accept is “OMG he’s the best of all time”.  It doesn’t matter that other QBs have won MVPs, Super Bowls, have better records, better stats, etc.  None of that matters to you.  

 

Josh is 4-4 in the postseason including a 27-10 loss last year, but postseason records don’t matter.  Josh has never won a Super Bowl, but championships don’t matter.  Josh has never taken the Bills to the #1 seed in the conference, but regular season wins don’t matter.  Josh has never won an MVP, but MVPs don’t matter.  The only thing that matters is the logo on the helmet and as long as there’s a buffalo on his helmet, then by God Josh is the GOAT.

You’re right.  He was 9/16 for 107 yards.  I said 8/15 for 107 originally.

 

Like I said:  you come to this board looking for fans HERE to praise Mahomes & the Chiefs, and be in "woe is us because we'll never be as good" mode.  You're going to be disappointed in most of what I post here as a result.

 

And yeah - that entire 2nd paragraph - except for MVP, which JA is always in the running for - is team stuff. It's a team game.  A lot of guys play.  It's not golf, or tennis.

 

[Ya Digg?]

12 minutes ago, Billl said:

I recall.  He didn’t because Mahomes went 2/2 for 44 yards in 10 seconds to put his team in range to tie the game with a FG and then went 6/6 for 61 yards and a TD in overtime.  I realize that doesn’t fall into your definition of “when it counts” because, in a thread about how good Josh is, the only answer you’ll accept is “OMG he’s the best of all time”.  It doesn’t matter that other QBs have won MVPs, Super Bowls, have better records, better stats, etc.  None of that matters to you.  

 

Josh is 4-4 in the postseason including a 27-10 loss last year, but postseason records don’t matter.  Josh has never won a Super Bowl, but championships don’t matter.  Josh has never taken the Bills to the #1 seed in the conference, but regular season wins don’t matter.  Josh has never won an MVP, but MVPs don’t matter.  The only thing that matters is the logo on the helmet and as long as there’s a buffalo on his helmet, then by God Josh is the GOAT.

You’re right.  He was 9/16 for 107 yards.  I said 8/15 for 107 originally.

He had 10 incompletions the entire game-you’re saying he had 7 of them in that 4th quarter? Provide a link to the stats you have for that 4th quarter 

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Like I said:  you come to this board looking for fans HERE to praise Mahomes & the Chiefs, and be in "woe is us because we'll never be as good" mode.  You're going to be disappointed in most of what I post here as a result.

 

And yeah - that entire 2nd paragraph - except for MVP, which JA is always in the running for - is team stuff. It's a team game.  A lot of guys play.  It's not golf, or tennis.

 

😂😂You're getting trolled