Bernard/Williams >>> Edmunds/Milano by the end of the regular season

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Let's calm down a bit.  Milano is an All Pro caliber player, and Williams is filling his spot.  Bernard is filling Edmund's spot and I think that's a wash at minimum.

 

Bernard being a wash with Edmunds is pretty laughable.

[Big Turk]

[Coach Tuesday]

17 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Bernard being a wash with Edmunds is pretty laughable.

 

It's FIVE GAMES IN.  Bernard has played exceptionally well but shouldn't we at least let him put together a whole season of games?  We don't even know yet if he's durable enough to make it to the end of the year, his style of play is far more aggressive than his body type would suggest.  Let's see if he can hold up, stay healthy and continue his production before we start crowing his a$$.    

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

It's FIVE GAMES IN.  Bernard has played exceptionally well but shouldn't we at least let him put together a whole season of games?  We don't even know yet if he's durable enough to make it to the end of the year, his style of play is far more aggressive than his body type would suggest.  Let's see if he can hold up, stay healthy and continue his production before we start crowing his a$$.    

 

2 games in, Bernard had already been the best player on the field in a game for either team.  Was Edmunds ever that in any game in 5 years?

 

There is also this...

 

Edited October 20, 2023 by Big Turk

[oldmanfan]

38 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Bernard being a wash with Edmunds is pretty laughable.

Not really.  It’s little early but Bernard is certainly playing well.  I don’t miss Edmunds.

[Aussie Joe]

Just went back and read the first part of the thread when they drafted Williams in the third round…

 

Looks like a lot of people (including me) might be eating some crow about this pick …

 

He is developing nicely it appears … I’m still keeping my lid on expectations this season but come next season they might have something…

[BillnutinHouston]

Who's burner account is this?

[Brand J]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

I don’t know if Williams will ever be as good as Milano, but he shows promise in his own right.  Bernard, I believe will surpass Edmunds in time.  He’s been a significant participant in this defense, and McD is getting the most out if his players.

I’d argue he already has, even with the small sample size. I’ve seen Bernard do things Edmunds has never done, like get skinny through a hole and meet the RB at or behind the LoS. Or juke a blocking RB to get a sack.

I used to see Edmunds get rag dolled by lineman and blocked by tight ends and those running backs. Bernard gets blocked, but I haven’t yet seen him get thrown to the ground or fly backwards on skates because a lineman has his hands on his chest. Not to mention Bernard’s awareness and knack for making a play when around the ball. He’s everything we wanted Edmunds to be, just in a much smaller frame.

[Mark Vader]

24 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

I’d argue he already has, even with the small sample size. I’ve seen Bernard do things Edmunds has never done, like get skinny through a hole and meet the RB at or behind the LoS. Or juke a blocking RB to get a sack.

I used to see Edmunds get rag dolled by lineman and blocked by tight ends and those running backs. Bernard gets blocked, but I haven’t yet seen him get thrown to the ground or fly backwards on skates because a lineman has his hands on his chest. Not to mention Bernard’s awareness and knack for making a play when around the ball. He’s everything we wanted Edmunds to be, just in a much smaller frame.

I am in full agreement with you on this.

 

I don't know the technicalities of the position, but just from the eye test, Bernard has done many things that Edmunds was unable to do for us. I had my concerns about Bernard before the year started, not anymore.

 

I will echo what one poster said that due to Bernard's size and aggressive style, that usually leads to getting injured.

See, Taron Johnson. That is a concern, so hopefully we can see him the entire season.

[Drew21PA]

DB43 and Milano were by far better than edmunds Milano for sure 

[Big Turk]

34 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

I’d argue he already has, even with the small sample size. I’ve seen Bernard do things Edmunds has never done, like get skinny through a hole and meet the RB at or behind the LoS. Or juke a blocking RB to get a sack.

I used to see Edmunds get rag dolled by lineman and blocked by tight ends and those running backs. Bernard gets blocked, but I haven’t yet seen him get thrown to the ground or fly backwards on skates because a lineman has his hands on his chest. Not to mention Bernard’s awareness and knack for making a play when around the ball. He’s everything we wanted Edmunds to be, just in a much smaller frame.

 

Bernard did put up stats in 3 games that took Edmunds 46 games to do.

[LyndonvilleBill]

5 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

But Edmunds was so huge he was able to neutralize Kelce 

That's actually the matchup I'm waiting to see. Do they put Williams on Kelce? Oooowwwweeee!😁

[Dr.Sack]

When I think of the Bills defense 2018-present I think of Taron Johnson and Matt Milano. We have found a good backup in Dorian. I’m not sure they have a true backup to Taron. Is Cam Lewis the real deal? 

[BillsFanForever19]

6 hours ago, Big Turk said:

I have watched Dorian Williams play the last 2 games and have come away really impressed with this kid...the dude is all over the place...yes in the Jags game maybe he was a little TOO "all over the place" as he overran some runs, but he also had some fantastically athletic pass breakups too.  Last game was much better and he shed blocks a few times to make tackles for short gains better than I ever remember seeing Edmunds do.

 

I strongly believe that by the end of the year Bernard/Williams will be better than Edmunds/Milano last year as a tandem on the field, once Williams gains experience.  That being said, I still think Bernard/Milano would be the best combo for them...Milano is just so good, it's crazy.  Dude does everything well.  I just think Williams is a better fit for what the Bills are trying to do on a down to down basis than Edmunds was and will prove to be even better once he gets more reps and experience as the season moves on.  Bernard is already Milano "Lite" and has been nothing short of remarkable for us.  

 

Thoughts on this?  I know it's a little bit of speculation and some high praise for Williams who we haven't seen enough of, but I think this kid has it at LB. 

 

I mean, i'm all for positivity and seeing the best in players and hoping for the best. But Williams will not be Milano in his first year, probably never will be. He can be very good - but Milano may be the best off the ball Linebacker in football period.

[Kaenon]

I'm not sure how to reply to this thread.

[offyourocker]

7 hours ago, Big Turk said:

I have watched Dorian Williams play the last 2 games and have come away really impressed with this kid...the dude is all over the place...yes in the Jags game maybe he was a little TOO "all over the place" as he overran some runs, but he also had some fantastically athletic pass breakups too.  Last game was much better and he shed blocks a few times to make tackles for short gains better than I ever remember seeing Edmunds do.

 

I strongly believe that by the end of the year Bernard/Williams will be better than Edmunds/Milano last year as a tandem on the field, once Williams gains experience.  That being said, I still think Bernard/Milano would be the best combo for them...Milano is just so good, it's crazy.  Dude does everything well.  I just think Williams is a better fit for what the Bills are trying to do on a down to down basis than Edmunds was and will prove to be even better once he gets more reps and experience as the season moves on.  Bernard is already Milano "Lite" and has been nothing short of remarkable for us.  

 

Thoughts on this?  I know it's a little bit of speculation and some high praise for Williams who we haven't seen enough of, but I think this kid has it at LB. 

I will say Bernard has looked better to me than Edmunds.  Williams i am pleased with but Milano is all pro.  Maybe a in a couple years but not by the end of the season

[Free Speech]

 

[balln]

7 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

It's FIVE GAMES IN.  Bernard has played exceptionally well but shouldn't we at least let him put together a whole season of games?  We don't even know yet if he's durable enough to make it to the end of the year, his style of play is far more aggressive than his body type would suggest.  Let's see if he can hold up, stay healthy and continue his production before we start crowing his a$$.    

Yea. No. Bernard is much better than edmunds. 

[Sierra Foothills]

11 hours ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Are you trying to sabotage their lineups?  Or are you really that high on a guy that has yet to top 60 rushing yards in a game this season?  He is averaging 3 yards per carry and has a total of 2 TDs.  NE has been very bad at running the ball this year and I highly doubt they have a break out game against the Bills, even with Oliver out.

 

I wouldn't overstate the point about the Pats weak running game.

 

The Bills aren't only missing Ed Oliver, they're also missing Daquan Jones. The dropoff from these two to Jordan Phillips, Poona Ford, and Tim Settle is fairly huge IMO. Both Oliver and Jones were playing at approximate All-Pro levels.

 

11 hours ago, jahnyc said:

Evaluating our recent drafts has become more complicated with the play of Bernard and others (such as Moss).  I do like our most recent draft with Kincaid, Torrence and Williams all performing well as rookie players.

 

Before this year, most people here were considering Epenesa a bust too.

 

9 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

What are the percentages supposed to indicate?

 

Schatz' post is meaningless without knowing what the percentages mean.

 

[mrags]

Doesn’t really matter much. Milano is hurt so much, Williams will get lots of playing time. Seems like every single year Milano is out for at least 4 games with something.