NFL wants to eliminate "hip drop" tackles

[Old Coot]

I have a solution: go to two hand touch or flag football. That will cut down on injuries.

 

Note: engage sarcasm detector when reading this post.

[C.Biscuit97]

Nfl : defenses are no longer allowed to tackle

 

fans: why is our defense so soft 

[C.Biscuit97]

36 minutes ago, Old Coot said:

I have a solution: go to two hand touch or flag football. That will cut down on injuries.

 

Note: engage sarcasm detector when reading this post.

You get why are doing things, like the head shots. But it’s getting stupid. The best is Nancy boy Tom Brady, who is one of the biggest reasons for the tile changes, talking about how soft the nfl is now. 

[colin]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

In a game where people are flying around 20 miles an hour

 

It's a game of reaction not thinking... You really don't think in the moment to drop your hips away from his legs... Dropping your hips on his legs is what helps the tackle 

 

You're dropping on him in the speed of the game 

 

Somebody is running away from you and you're running up to him closing distance.. you're not dropping your hips away from him , you are sticking to him like glue

 

 

I've played football and rugby.  it'll happen on accident sure (like head on head collisions) but with some practice and an enforced rule, i think it will happen less.

 

people said what you said about going too high or low on the qb in the pocket.  now, if you are saying the rules are overly officious, sure i agree, but we've seen less insane hits on QBs than there used to be, so they can do something about hip drops too.

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, colin said:

 

 

I've played football and rugby.  it'll happen on accident sure (like head on head collisions) but with some practice and an enforced rule, i think it will happen less.

 

people said what you said about going too high or low on the qb in the pocket.  now, if you are saying the rules are overly officious, sure i agree, but we've seen less insane hits on QBs than there used to be, so they can do something about hip drops too.

 

Maybe I'm not getting my point across clearly...  I'm saying hip drops is a dirty tackle

 

And most players know it's dangerous but they do it because it's effective... They don't think about doing it it just happens because it's an effective way to tackle from behind

 

But if the league starts cracking down on it players will obviously stop doing it.. they do it because they get away with it

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Saint Doug said:

Everyone and their kids knows that it’s very hard to take someone down if you aim high, unless you aim for their heads - which is a no no. It’s much more efficient to aim low and wrap them up. Going too low is bad too, because all the player needs to do it jump or regain their balance. So, how does the NFL expect players to efficiently tackle players? Maybe the NFL should begin training players on how to prepare to be tackled. 

 

….and let us not forget, this is all happening near the speed of light. The players know the risks. I’m all for safety improvements, but we want to recognize the game too. 

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Maybe I'm not getting my point across clearly...  I'm saying hip drops is a dirty tackle

 

And most players know it's dangerous but they do it because it's effective... They don't think about doing it it just happens because it's an effective way to tackle from behind

 

But if the league starts cracking down on it players will obviously stop doing it.. they do it because they get away with it

@PatsFanNH

 

You can disagree with everybody here... And say that's how it's taught

 

But there's a reason why few division 1 football players are coming from New Hampshire

 

Horse collar is illegal because of the damage it can do ... This is the same principle

 

You don't need to drop all your weight onto somebody's lower body to tackle them from behind.. and roll them up

 

You can tackle people from the ankles and shins without breaking their tibia or fibia or ankle

 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Buffalo716

[PatsFanNH]

17 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

@PatsFanNH

 

You can disagree with everybody here... And say that's how it's taught

 

But there's a reason why few division 1 football players are coming from New Hampshire

 

Horse collar is illegal because of the damage it can do ... This is the same principle

 

You don't need to drop all your weight onto somebody's lower body to tackle them from behind.. and roll them up

 

You can tackle people from the ankles and shins without breaking their tibia or fibia or ankle

 

 

Wow! First if it matters it’s taught that way in Texas as you can see that on all those dumb Pop Warner type shows on Netflix.  You can also tackle from the hip and slide down to the knees and not break anything as well. You can also barely touch the person and they break a bone. Sorry, not sorry this shouldn’t be made illegal. It’s football you may get hurt, I’m all for getting rid of head shots as those can affect you mentally and emotionally down the line.. this is just a normal risk. 

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Wow! First if it matters it’s taught that way in Texas as you can see that on all those dumb Pop Warner type shows on Netflix.  You can also tackle from the hip and slide down to the knees and not break anything as well. You can also barely touch the person and they break a bone. Sorry, not sorry this shouldn’t be made illegal. It’s football you may get hurt, I’m all for getting rid of head shots as those can affect you mentally and emotionally down the line.. this is just a normal risk. 

Listen football is a violent sport... Nobody wants to make it flag football

 

There's a difference between tackling somebody from the side or the back... And dropping your hip onto the back of their legs rolling them up

 

The key part of this is when they drop their hip , and rolls the leg up... Which causes serious injury like a horse collar 

 

You can avoid that... Nobody's saying you can't grab a player's ankle or leg... You can't sit down on the back of it

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Buffalo716

[PonyBoy]

I get it, but it also seems like another way for the league to create drama or changing channels.

 

Example: Bills defense 4th & 10 up by 2 on their own 45, 30 seconds left.  Swing pass called, tackled by Bills CB 2 yards shy, game over? Nope, hip drop tackle, 1st down drive alive. This board as others would explode.

 

The tackle is a problem, but the reprecussions of deciding games, playoffs, Superbowl...are a bigger problem. My 2¢

[PatsFanNH]

43 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Listen football is a violent sport... Nobody wants to make it flag football

 

There's a difference between tackling somebody from the side or the back... And dropping your hip onto the back of their legs rolling them up

 

The key part of this is when they drop their hip , and rolls the leg up... Which causes serious injury like a horse collar 

 

You can avoid that... Nobody's saying you can't grab a player's ankle or leg... You can't sit down on the back of it

 

 

 

 

 

You do realize you be asking refs who can’t call a game already right. Now you have another JUDGEMENT call for them to make. 

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

You do realize you be asking refs who can’t call a game already right. Now you have another JUDGEMENT call for them to make. 

They already suck

[Mikie2times]

I mean, it seems like it creates the same general torque on the body as a horse collar. I don’t blame them for wanting to limit it. If it actually works would surprise me. Like horse collars, these tackles are usually a result of angle or position. I don’t think a penalty can stop instincts. 

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

I mean, it seems like it creates the same general torque on the body as a horse collar. I don’t blame them for wanting to limit it. If it actually works would surprise me. Like horse collars, these tackles are usually a result of angle or position. I don’t think a penalty can stop instincts. 

Exactly it's usually piss poor angles

 

If you are in the right spot you don't need to hip drop tackle

 

And it does create the same torque as a horse collar but with your hip dropping down on the back of your opponent's legs

 

People also don't differentiate between dirty and legal in football.. there's plenty of plays that are legal but are considered dirty because they blur the lines

 

It's a dirty way to tackle.. it's definitely not good technique, and it's way more dangerous than a standard tackle

Edited October 20, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Chicken Boo]

I get it, but come on...

 

I guess the defender should grab and roll instead.  What's the alternative, to push him forward for another 8 yards?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

On 10/18/2023 at 3:22 PM, H2o said:

I miss these days

Those legal hits aren't gone from today's game. The taunting afterwards is a penalty though

 

[US Egg]

One thing the NFL doesn’t seem to mind, more of this:

[BaaadThingsMan]

Wilson is 50% tonight on Andrews and Jackson. 

 

Two tackles one game, possibly season ending injury.

[AlfaBill]

On 10/19/2023 at 2:34 PM, Saint Doug said:

Everyone and their kids knows that it’s very hard to take someone down if you aim high, unless you aim for their heads - which is a no no. It’s much more efficient to aim low and wrap them up. Going too low is bad too, because all the player needs to do it jump or regain their balance. So, how does the NFL expect players to efficiently tackle players? Maybe the NFL should begin training players on how to prepare to be tackled. 

Attach two coloured flags to the hip pads. Problem solved 

[Bermuda Triangle]

1 hour ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

Wilson is 50% tonight on Andrews and Jackson. 

 

Two tackles one game, possibly season ending injury.

Scumbag franchise