Are people really that unhappy with our 4-2 Bills?

[SoTier]

5 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Is this type of thinking that creates acceptance to medicity.

 

Nonsense.  All this hysterical angst about the Bills performance in the last two games is a collective temper tantrum by fools who think know that the Bills need to do SOMETHING -- ANYTHING -- ASAP, from trading for has-beens and never-weres to firing the coaching staff.  None of these whiners offer realistic solutions.  They only demand change for change's sake.

 

5 hours ago, ngbills said:

I wish the Pats had this mindset and stuck with Drew Bledsoe

 

Actually, the Pats did stick with Bledsoe until they found that they had a young QB who was better.  What young player on the Bills is better than the current starter?  One could argue that Kincaid is better than Knox but the Bills have changed their offense to incorporate both TEs in the offense at the same time.   Is Quintin Morris better than Knox?  Who knows?  His TD catch against the Giants was only his second reception of the season out of 10 or 11 targets. 

 

It seems to me that the Bills are not standing pat with veterans when they believe they have a young player who's better.  The Bills didn't offer Trey Edmunds a new contract because they figured Terrell Bernard would be better.  All the message board GM-wannabes were up in arms about the Bills not chasing after veteran MLBs until they actually saw Bernard play.

Edited October 18, 2023 by SoTier

[ColoradoBills]

I've been happy 4 times and unhappy twice.

Looking forward to Sunday.

"Just win baby."

[Green Lightning]

Well,  let's see if the O can find its ass with both hands this week.  If they play like they have the past two weeks it's a bad trend. 

[Rubes]

I was ecstatic after the Dolphins game. The last two games this team seriously underperformed, and that's cause for concern going forward. But we'll see.

 

On the other hand, I'm also ecstatic that it's almost Halloween and we're not out of the playoff race already.

 

[FireChans]

Yet another dose of verbal diarrhea from @eball.

 

You know, this topic about perspective would be a little bit more profound if you didn't make it every. single. year.

 

You like to be a Bills fan by being a cheerleader. Cool. Happy for you. You have optimism and hope because you see the sun come up the next day.

 

Some people like to be fans in different ways. Some of them watch the All-22 and really try to break it down. Some people know more about X's and O's than you. Some people pretend they do.

 

To me, personally, I thought the success of this season was predicated on an offense that would be improved from all the silly "rookie OC" or poor talent-related mistakes and hiccups from last year. To my eye, it may honestly be worse.

Things may change. It's a long season. But I was hoping the Bills offense would look better than last year, and so far they haven't and so far, there goes my hope we are gonna win a Superbowl.

 

But again, cool you prefer cheerleading instead.

[78thealltimegreat]

6 hours ago, eball said:

I just don't know what to make of this board and our fans these days.  To the uninformed observer, if you just looked at the threads on the first page you'd assume this was a bottom-feeding squad.  The Bills are #3 in scoring offense and scoring defense, +4 in takeaways, and are right in the position most expected them to be when the season began.

 

Nobody ever won the Super Bowl in October, and history is replete with scads of teams that looked "unbeatable" at this juncture and didn't lift the Lombardi.

 

Lately, the issue is with <yawn> Dorsey again...bad gameplan, can't get the ball to anyone other than Diggs, yada, yada, yada.  What I saw Sunday night was a slow start on offense fueled by an untimely fumble, a drop, and a fantastic tip/interception by the Giants on a pass headed to Knox for a big gainer.  When the team returned from halftime they marched down the field twice for TDs and were a fingertip catch away from icing the game.

 

Is everything perfect?  Of course not!  But it never is, and crucifying Dorsey on October 18 -- two weeks after he was called brilliant for his gameplan vs. Miami -- is the perfect lens through which to view Bills fans.

 

Maybe a lot of you really have nothing else to do but sit around and dream up wild conspiracy theories about how Josh could force his way out of Buffalo, psychoanalyze whether Brian Daboll and Sean McDermott have a blood feud, or criticize the Bills for using Diggs as their first option in the passing game.

 

They lost two games by a total of 11 points!

 

The ONLY thing that matters is that the Bills grind out wins so they put themselves into decent playoff position, and that they are playing their best football in DECEMBER.

 

"But it's a fan message board.  That's what we do."

 

Ok.  You be you.  I'll continue to look at what is going right, share my opinions in an upbeat way, and show some faith in the players and coaches to work on what they need to work on.  This can still be a very special season; the league is wide open.

 

Go Bills!

18-2, Babyyyyyy!!!

 

 

There’s people on this board who are perpetually unhappy. I have to admit I too am concerned with how much Ken Dorsey calls a game but that’s what’s called being a fan. 

[newcam2012]

12 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Nonsense.  All this hysterical angst about the Bills performance in the last two games is a collective temper tantrum by fools who think know that the Bills need to do SOMETHING -- ANYTHING -- ASAP, from trading for has-beens and never-weres to firing the coaching staff.  None of these whiners offer realistic solutions.  They only demand change for change's sake.

 

 

Actually, the Pats did stick with Bledsoe until they found that they had a young QB who was better.  What young player on the Bills is better than the current starter?  One could argue that Kincaid is better than Knox but the Bills have changed their offense to incorporate both TEs in the offense at the same time.   Is Quintin Morris better than Knox?  Who knows?  His TD catch against the Giants was only his second reception of the season out of 10 or 11 targets. 

 

It seems to me that the Bills are not standing pat with veterans when they believe they have a young player who's better.  The Bills didn't offer Trey Edmunds a new contract because they figured Terrell Bernard would be better.  All the message board GM-wannabes were up in arms about the Bills not chasing after veteran MLBs until they actually saw Bernard play.

How is it working out with Spencer Brown? You satisfied with Davis as a WR2? They resigned Poyer who looks to be a shell of himself. Rapp can't even see the field. Elam just blows. Kincaid is a 5 yard catch TE. Cook is never utilized in the screen game. 

 

Let's paint a complete picture here please. They Bills have made plenty of bad moves and non moves. 

 

The hysteria is only a figment on your imagination. It's called construction criticism which many just don't like to hear. Obviously, you are one of them. All is not glamorous at one Bills drive nor is the sky falling. 

Edited October 19, 2023 by newcam2012

[buffaloboyinATL]

6 hours ago, jahnyc said:

I am certainly unhappy about the injuries.  Hard to have Milano, Jones and White all out for the season, particularly since they are three of my favorite players on the team.  Wish the offense would show some consistency, and I am concerned that we saw similar issues with the offense at different points last season.  Team should be 5-1 given the strength of the teams that they have played so far, so 4-2 is a bit disappointing.

I agree that losing White, Milano and Jones is a big hit, but I have not heard anything about Milano or Jones being officially ruled as “out for the season”. 
 

have you?

[BigDingus]

Yes, and I think downplaying it as if we've learned nothing the past 3 years kind of bothers me.

 

Every year, almost always around this time, people talk about how "you are what your record says you are," how we should ignore all the issues we see/only focus on X,Y,Z, how losing to whatever team isn't a bad sign, and how all it will take is Allen cleaning something up/less injuries/adjustments to playcalling/blah blah blah.

 

But by year's end, literally every issue comes home to roost in the playoffs. I'm not saying the sky is falling or that the Bills are doomed, all I'm saying is we pretend we're on the right track, pretend things will only get better, and brush aside the glaring flaws as something that'll just magically go away.

 

Even if we pulled off the OT win in week 1 or rallied back & beat the Jags, I would still feel the same way despite the record.

 

People will point to teams like the Chiefs & say how they don't look unbeatable & had rough games too, but the Bills aren't the Chiefs. We haven't earned the benefit of the doubt & multiple Super Bowls. Aside from 2021, our playoff struggles tend to look awfully similar to our regular season struggles. 

 

We all remember week 17 against the Bengals, but outside of the obvious Damar stuff, the football talk was mostly us Bills fans being in denial vs what Bengals fans (and other fans) saw as the Bills being "saved" from a Bengals butt kicking. All the non-Damar chatter was people saying the Bills were getting torched, cruising to a beatdown, and even complaints the NFL was "scripted" & trying to protect the Bills. That was when all the talk about the Bengals/Burrow being better than the Bills/Allen really started, and we denied every bit of it.

 

Even though it was still the first quarter, it was very representative of what was in store come playoff time. I remember me & other Bills fans pointing to recent Bengals games where they looked good one half, fell apart the next, talked up Allen just having slow starts, and also said we play better at home. Surely, the Bills would be motivated & ready come playoff time. NOPE!

 

Despite my rant, I still think things can get better. In fact, I expect another good stretch that will get us all hyped again. But I'm also painfully aware that the recent struggles can't be ignored & could very well be a persistent issue all season. 

Edited October 19, 2023 by BigDingus

[BillnutinHouston]

Honestly, after Tre, DQ and Milano were lost, the season is already determined in my book.  Not in the sense that I think the regular season will be a total bust or that it won't be mildly entertaining, but that its just a matter of which round of the playoffs we lose in.  We don't have the horses to compete.

 

 

[BillnutinHouston]

7 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

by year's end, literally every issue comes home to roost in the playoffs. 

 

 

Well said - that is the basis of my statement above. 

 

I don't think you HAVE TO live in denial in order to be a fan.  

Edited October 19, 2023 by BillnutinHouston

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

Yes, and I think downplaying it as if we've learned nothing the past 3 years kind of bothers me.

 

Every year, almost always around this time, people talk about how you are what your record says you are, how we should ignore all the issues we see & only focus on X,Y,Z, how losing to whatever team isn't a bad sign, and how all it will take is Allen cleaning something up/less injuries/adjustments to playcalling/blah blah blah.

 

But by year's end, literally every issue comes home to roost in the playoffs. I'm not saying the sky is falling or that the Bills are doomed, all I'm saying is we pretend we're on the right track, pretend things will only get better, and brush aside the glaring flaws as something that'll just magically go away.

 

Even if we pulled off the OT win in week 1 or rallied back & beat the Jags, I would still feel the same way despite the record.

 

People will point to teams like the Chiefs & say how they don't look unbeatable & had rough games too, but the Bills aren't the Chiefs. We haven't earned the benefit of the doubt & multiple Super Bowls. Aside from 2021, our playoff struggles tend to look awfully similar to our regular season struggles. 

 

We all remember week 17 against the Bengals, but outside of the obvious Damar stuff, the football talk was mostly us Bills fans being in denial vs what Bengals fans (and other fans) saw as the Bills being "saved" from a Bengals butt kicking. All the non-Damar chatter was people saying the Bills were getting torched, cruising to a beatdown, and even complaints the NFL was "scripted" & trying to protect the Bills. That was when all the talk about the Bengals/Burrow being better than the Bills/Allen really started, and we denied every bit of it.

 

Even though it was still the first quarter, it was very representative of what was in store come playoff time. I remember me & other Bills fans pointing to recent Bengals games where they looked good one half, fell apart the next, talked up Allen just having a slow start, and also said we play better at home. Surely, the Bills would be motivated & ready come playoff time. NOPE!

 

Despite my rant, I still think things can get better. In fact, I expect another good stretch that will get us all hyped again. But I'm also painfully aware that the recent struggles can't be ignored & could very well be a persistent issue all season. 

Don't worry, @eball said this last year!

 

 

I don't know why folks were questioning the offensive coaching last year!  We were so good! No way we get blown out at home in the playoffs! It's the fans' fault!

[GoBills808]

13 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

Yes, and I think downplaying it as if we've learned nothing the past 3 years kind of bothers me.

 

Every year, almost always around this time, people talk about how you are what your record says you are, how we should ignore all the issues we see & only focus on X,Y,Z, how losing to whatever team isn't a bad sign, and how all it will take is Allen cleaning something up/less injuries/adjustments to playcalling/blah blah blah.

 

But by year's end, literally every issue comes home to roost in the playoffs. I'm not saying the sky is falling or that the Bills are doomed, all I'm saying is we pretend we're on the right track, pretend things will only get better, and brush aside the glaring flaws as something that'll just magically go away.

 

Even if we pulled off the OT win in week 1 or rallied back & beat the Jags, I would still feel the same way despite the record.

 

People will point to teams like the Chiefs & say how they don't look unbeatable & had rough games too, but the Bills aren't the Chiefs. We haven't earned the benefit of the doubt & multiple Super Bowls. Aside from 2021, our playoff struggles tend to look awfully similar to our regular season struggles. 

 

We all remember week 17 against the Bengals, but outside of the obvious Damar stuff, the football talk was mostly us Bills fans being in denial vs what Bengals fans (and other fans) saw as the Bills being "saved" from a Bengals butt kicking. All the non-Damar chatter was people saying the Bills were getting torched, cruising to a beatdown, and even complaints the NFL was "scripted" & trying to protect the Bills. That was when all the talk about the Bengals/Burrow being better than the Bills/Allen really started, and we denied every bit of it.

 

Even though it was still the first quarter, it was very representative of what was in store come playoff time. I remember me & other Bills fans pointing to recent Bengals games where they looked good one half, fell apart the next, talked up Allen just having a slow start, and also said we play better at home. Surely, the Bills would be motivated & ready come playoff time. NOPE!

 

Despite my rant, I still think things can get better. In fact, I expect another good stretch that will get us all hyped again. But I'm also painfully aware that the recent struggles can't be ignored & could very well be a persistent issue all season. 

Exactly where I'm at

 

I was 100% on board w saying the metrics were solid and the foundation wasn't shaky these last 2-3 years right up until Bengals game

 

Now I think it's kind of crazy not to question this squads' direction tbh

[Reed83HOF]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

I simply couldn't imagine how boring any forum would be if everyone was positive.

 

Poster A - The Bills are great!
Poster B - They sure are buddy!

Poster C - I concur with your thoughts pals!

Poster A - Isn't Dorsey swell?
Poster C- He sure does seem like a cool guy!
Poster B - I just got a great idea. Let's start a fundraiser to send him some chicken wings for lunch tomorrow!
Poster A - Great idea buddy!

Poster C - Great idea pal!

Woof. 

 

Has anyone went over to the Cheats* message board lately? Curious as to how they are doing over there LOL

[ngbills]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

Actually, the Pats did stick with Bledsoe until they found that they had a young QB who was better.  What young player on the Bills is better than the current starter?  One could argue that Kincaid is better than Knox but the Bills have changed their offense to incorporate both TEs in the offense at the same time.   Is Quintin Morris better than Knox?  Who knows?  His TD catch against the Giants was only his second reception of the season out of 10 or 11 targets. 

 

It seems to me that the Bills are not standing pat with veterans when they believe they have a young player who's better.  The Bills didn't offer Trey Edmunds a new contract because they figured Terrell Bernard would be better.  All the message board GM-wannabes were up in arms about the Bills not chasing after veteran MLBs until they actually saw Bernard play.

Its not comparing the Pats to the Bills. It was responding to the mindset of we used to suck so just be happy that we are winning at all. 

[ToGoGo]

It’s fans who don’t know winning, telling us we will never win a championship. 

[The Red King]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Yes, you have successfully proven that the Bills score too many points

 

I've proven that when a defense has figured out our offense, Dorsey cannot make timely adjustments, hense the "feast or famine" outcomes.  This really isn't a difficult concept.  I really can't understand why you're struggling to grasp it.

 

If the "Bills score too many points" they'd be 6-0.  Obviously they didn't.

1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

There’s people on this board who are perpetually unhappy. I have to admit I too am concerned with how much Ken Dorsey calls a game but that’s what’s called being a fan. 

 

Not according to some people here!  I'm being blasted by some for even suggesting Dorsey concerns me.  We're 4-2, fool!  We can't complain or worry about anything!

[oldmanfan]

When we win Sunday they’ll be folks unhappy we’re 5-2.  There would be people unhappy if we finished 18-2.

[PonyBoy]

I'm not unhappy, it's just the injuries to the defensive starters in such a short time.

 

Yes, it's part of the game, discouraging when it feels like everything has to go pretty perfect for Buffalo to win a ring in football or hockey. 

 

Sabres with all the D men out against Carolina comes to mind. They had a good chance then.

Life is hard, but it seems so much tougher sometimes in Buffalo as a sports fan or resident. 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, PonyBoy said:

I'm not unhappy, it's just the injuries to the defensive starters in such a short time.

 

Yes, it's part of the game, discouraging when it feels like everything has to go pretty perfect for Buffalo to win a ring in football or hockey. 

 

Sabres with all the D men out against Carolina comes to mind. They had a good chance then.

Life is hard, but it seems so much tougher sometimes in Buffalo as a sports fan or resident. 

Things have to go pretty perfect for any team to win a championship