Are people really that unhappy with our 4-2 Bills?

[Your Brown Eye]

It's the injuries to arguably the 3 best players on each level of our defense that is the kick to the grundle for me. 4-2 albeit, not great, is fine.

[Warriorspikes51]

If we're 6-2 a week from tonight that would be good.... 

[Bob Jones]

17 hours ago, Buffalo ill said:

Anymore I feel like the Bills are a mostly entertaining tv series that will have a bad ending, leaving the fans disappointed overall.  The Bills are my new Game of Thrones.

I hope you're wrong, but if I was a betting person, I'd bet that you're correct.

[Gregg]

McDermott has been here 7 years. He has done a great job developing a winning culture for this organization. However, 7 years and still no Super Bowl appearance. It is a fair question to ask can he get this Bills to the Super Bowl. For me I lost faith after 13 seconds. That was a fire able offense IMHO. But it remains to be seen what Terry will do as his opinion is the only one that counts. 

[SoTier]

12 hours ago, ngbills said:

Its not comparing the Pats to the Bills. It was responding to the mindset of we used to suck so just be happy that we are winning at all. 

 

I have no problem with valid criticism, and I've frequently agreed with posters with such criticisms and/or reasonable suggestions for fixing apparent problems.  The posters I do have problems with are the fools that live in an alternative universe where the salary cap is irrelevant, firing coaches and trading out current players for has-beens, never-weres, and/or a couple of big names in season result in SB wins.

Edited October 19, 2023 by SoTier

[SoTier]

40 minutes ago, Your Brown Eye said:

It's the injuries to arguably the 3 best players on each level of our defense that is the kick to the grundle for me. 4-2 albeit, not great, is fine.

 

This is infinitely more detrimental to the Bills' chances of the Bills making the Super Bowl than any other current issue.   Luck plays such a significant role in a team making the Super Bowl, especially in terms of injuries to key players, that it's definitely a case of being "better to be lucky than good".

[JohnNord]

20 hours ago, eball said:

I just don't know what to make of this board and our fans these days.  To the uninformed observer, if you just looked at the threads on the first page you'd assume this was a bottom-feeding squad.  The Bills are #3 in scoring offense and scoring defense, +4 in takeaways, and are right in the position most expected them to be when the season began.

 

Nobody ever won the Super Bowl in October, and history is replete with scads of teams that looked "unbeatable" at this juncture and didn't lift the Lombardi.

 

Lately, the issue is with <yawn> Dorsey again...bad gameplan, can't get the ball to anyone other than Diggs, yada, yada, yada.  What I saw Sunday night was a slow start on offense fueled by an untimely fumble, a drop, and a fantastic tip/interception by the Giants on a pass headed to Knox for a big gainer.  When the team returned from halftime they marched down the field twice for TDs and were a fingertip catch away from icing the game.

 

Is everything perfect?  Of course not!  But it never is, and crucifying Dorsey on October 18 -- two weeks after he was called brilliant for his gameplan vs. Miami -- is the perfect lens through which to view Bills fans.

 

Maybe a lot of you really have nothing else to do but sit around and dream up wild conspiracy theories about how Josh could force his way out of Buffalo, psychoanalyze whether Brian Daboll and Sean McDermott have a blood feud, or criticize the Bills for using Diggs as their first option in the passing game.

 

They lost two games by a total of 11 points!

 

The ONLY thing that matters is that the Bills grind out wins so they put themselves into decent playoff position, and that they are playing their best football in DECEMBER.

 

"But it's a fan message board.  That's what we do."

 

Ok.  You be you.  I'll continue to look at what is going right, share my opinions in an upbeat way, and show some faith in the players and coaches to work on what they need to work on.  This can still be a very special season; the league is wide open.

 

Go Bills!

18-2, Babyyyyyy!!!

 

 

I think we all overreact to the final results on Sunday to an absolute extreme.

 

Josh Allen looked like crap and threw 3 INT’s against the Jets in Week 1, we assume the Bills will look like crap all year along and he’ll lead the league in INTs. 

 

The Bills look like world-beaters by destroying Miami in Week 4, we assume every week is going to be an onslaught and that the team will never lose.  

 

Since the Bills struggled to beat the Giants means they will struggle against similar teams and get blown out by good ones Kansas City.

The Bills at 6-0 vs. The Bills at 4-2, probably doesn’t mean that much in Week 7 in terms of Super Bowl aspirations.  
 

So much can still happen in a season resulting a negative or positive result and what happens one week, doesn’t necessarily carry over into the next.  
 

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

I had this thought today. Your happiness is a product of your expectations. Bills fans were probably happier after some of the Fitz and Edwards good starts than this team’s 4-2 start. 
 

it’s a bit crazy but it makes sense. 

[QCity]

14 hours ago, FireChans said:

Yet another dose of verbal diarrhea from @eball.

 

You know, this topic about perspective would be a little bit more profound if you didn't make it every. single. year.

 

You like to be a Bills fan by being a cheerleader. Cool. Happy for you. You have optimism and hope because you see the sun come up the next day.

 

Some people like to be fans in different ways. Some of them watch the All-22 and really try to break it down. Some people know more about X's and O's than you. Some people pretend they do.

 

To me, personally, I thought the success of this season was predicated on an offense that would be improved from all the silly "rookie OC" or poor talent-related mistakes and hiccups from last year. To my eye, it may honestly be worse.

Things may change. It's a long season. But I was hoping the Bills offense would look better than last year, and so far they haven't and so far, there goes my hope we are gonna win a Superbowl.

 

But again, cool you prefer cheerleading instead.

 

It doesn't matter if Fitz, EJ, Tyrod, or Josh is under center, if you aren't in a circle singing Kum Ba Yah after every game you are miserable. WhY CaNt YoU JuSt Be HapPy?

[ColoradoBills]

I guess another question could be:

 

Would people be happy with a Buffalo Bills Superbowl win, even if was an ugly NY Giants type victory?

 

[Saxum]

5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

We expect to contend for a title. We have an other-worldly QB and at least 2 other sure fire HOF’ers. TSW naysayers notwithstanding, Beane has constructed the best roster of his tenure. Key major Injuries to essential players (stars) early have knocked us off our mark and we’re still trying to adapt with unproven replacements. The current silver lining is the ‘easier’ part of our schedule while we attempt to re-form. Dorian Williams has real potential as does O’Cyrus Torrence as does Bernard & Benford. Even with the huge loss of Jones, our DL is super strong and Von is returning. 
That we haven’t lit up the scoreboard since the debacle in London has our nervous Nellies ready to jump off a bridge or fire every coach, which is ridiculous. The Conference 1 seed may not be attainable -MAY NOT..- but as these new starters progress with on field guidance of cagey vets, we should be rolling by seasons’ end. Then we might -MIGHT- be surprised who returns from injury at that time.

So, ‘unhappy’? Yeah, probably. But we’re still alive and still a very talented team.

 

Jump. Jump!  JUMP!  JUMP! JUMP!!!!!!!  JUMP!!!!!!!

 

Hopefully jumping off bridges without bungee cords will next thing.

 

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

It was way less stressful when all we had to worry about was being shown to be ‘in the hunt’ on Thanksgiving Day. Those were the days! 

 

And not worrying about games at other than 1 PM.

13 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

It doesn't matter if Fitz, EJ, Tyrod, or Josh is under center, if you aren't in a circle singing Kum Ba Yah after every game you are miserable. WhY CaNt YoU JuSt Be HapPy?

 

Some people are neurotic and can only be happy by being unhappy.  Unfortunately they act like religious missionaries trying to convert others.

[Wayne Arnold]

There are some annoying flaws with this team that Beane is apparently incapable of correcting (wide receiver outside of Diggs) and I want to see more snaps from under center and less shotgun.

 

But aside from that I'm happy as hell.

 

We have a legit Super Bowl contender in Western NY and that's all anyone can ever ask for in October-November.

 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Wayne Arnold

[HOUSE]

Ha, people would be unhappy here if the Bills were undefeated scored 400 points and gave up 0

We should have 414 but Gabe dropped the ball twice

 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Bogie_Klinkhammer

[Nephilim17]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I had this thought today. Your happiness is a product of your expectations. Bills fans were probably happier after some of the Fitz and Edwards good starts than this team’s 4-2 start. 
 

it’s a bit crazy but it makes sense. 

Buddhist philosophy says unfulfilled desire is the root of suffering.

So, as our expectations have risen significantly since the time of FItz and Edwards — yet they are unfulfilled — your thinking makes sense. At least to me and Buddhists.

 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Nephilim17

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

7 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

There are some annoying flaws with this team that Beane is apparently incapable of correcting (wide receiver outside of Diggs) and I want to see more snaps from under center and less shotgun.

 

But aside from that I'm happy as hell.

 

We have a legit Super Bowl contender in Western NY and that's all anyone can ever ask for in October-November.

 

 

I disagree.  The Bills are good enough to make the playoffs.  Thats it.  Legit SB contender? What makes you say that?  Nothing about this team makes me believe they are "legit."  They don't prepare well for games.  Last year they were an abysmal mess in the playoffs.  Almost losing to a backup QB and then losing to a team where the entire O-line was backups.

 

The Bills have to be at the top of the list for the most unbalanced, undisciplined and uninspiring offense in the entire league. 

 

San Fran - Legit

 

KC - Legit

 

Miami - Legit

 

Philly - Legit

 

Detroit is more legit than Buffalo right now.

 

If you believe it, that's great, but I just don't see any legitimate reason to believe that the Bills are "legit" SB contenders.  Could they get hot at the right time and figure it all out and make a SB? Sure....that doesn't make them legit though.

[SCBills]

Not happy, but not as concerned as I was last year.  
 

At least now, it’s early.  
 

Last year this dip occurred heading into the playoffs and continued into the playoffs. 
 

It’s only Week 7. 
 

That said, through six weeks.. our offense has looked great in 3 games and absolutely terrible in 3 games. 
 

4-2 is probably where we should be, but it’s not being ungrateful to point out this isn’t sustainable and it’s not likely to ever result in a Championship run.  
 

However, again, it’s only Week 7. 

[Freddie's Dead]

We are critical because we see mistakes that will cost us against better teams. At the end of the game, NJ had 4 secs on the play clock, nowhere near snapping the ball, complete disarray, and McDummy bails them out with a TO.  NJ would have had a DOG or at least an IM penalty because they were all still moving. You don't let an opponent off the hook when they're under time pressure. But Tie-rod gonna Tie-rod, and we won despite McDummy, not because of him. 

[Wayne Arnold]

35 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

I disagree.  The Bills are good enough to make the playoffs.  Thats it.  Legit SB contender? What makes you say that?  Nothing about this team makes me believe they are "legit."  They don't prepare well for games.  Last year they were an abysmal mess in the playoffs.  Almost losing to a backup QB and then losing to a team where the entire O-line was backups.

 

The Bills have to be at the top of the list for the most unbalanced, undisciplined and uninspiring offense in the entire league. 

 

San Fran - Legit

 

KC - Legit

 

Miami - Legit

 

Philly - Legit

 

Detroit is more legit than Buffalo right now.

 

If you believe it, that's great, but I just don't see any legitimate reason to believe that the Bills are "legit" SB contenders.  Could they get hot at the right time and figure it all out and make a SB? Sure....that doesn't make them legit though.

 

The season is more than just the last game or two.

 

Considering they're #3 in DVOA and at least Top 5 in every analytical ranking makes it pretty loud and clear that the Bills are legit Super Bowl contenders in 2023.

 

No offense but your post is ridiculous.

[blacklabel]

This a good post. I concur with everything. Sometimes I wonder if some fans forget that this stuff is supposed to be fun. Nitpicking and over-analyzing and looking for negatives just doesn't seem like fun to me. 

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

44 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

The season is more than just the last game or two.

 

Considering they're #3 in DVOA and at least Top 5 in every analytical ranking makes it pretty loud and clear that the Bills are legit Super Bowl contenders in 2023.

 

No offense but your post is ridiculous.

I know I know....I was ridiculous last year too. I was ridiculous when I said the Bills wouldn't beat the Chiefs in the playoffs the 2 years before that.  Guess I'll just continue to be ridiculously right.

 

When the Bills are at home watching the Super Bowl, DVOA means nothing.