Jim Kubiak Analysis in BN

[Casey D]

It is behind a pay wall so I won't link it, but he has a very different take on the Giants game.  In a nutshell, he shows that in the first half, the Giants did an excellent job of taking away what the Bills want to do-- an explosive offense.  A combination of good blitzes, and excellent man-to-man coverage aided by lots of tripping and clutching and grabbing by the Giants, utterly spoiled the Bills game plan.  Allen was 8-18.

 

In the second half,  Dorsey totally changed course and went with a ground and pound running approach that worked.  In their first two possessions (they only had three) the Bills had two long time consuming drives that used up most of the clock.  17 run plays and only 11 passes, and it nullified what the Giants successfully did in the first half.  Allen, with pressure off due to a solid running attack, was 10-11 in the second half, the incompletion being the pass to Knox late.

 

On that play, Allen had a run/pass option, and he hesitated in his decision making.  He thought about running and held the ball a tad too long before making the throw to Knox.  The result was a poor throw that still could have been caught.  But the play call was excellent and should have ended the game but the execution was poor.

 

I know everyone hates Dorsey right now, and I guess it is understandable and perhaps warranted.  But his ability to change approach in the second half and ***** victory from the jaws of defeat deserves some credit IMO.

[dave mcbride]

Can you link to it? It’s not on the main page and I can access it with a link.

[Xwnyer]

2 minutes ago, Casey D said:

It is behind a pay wall so I won't link it, but he has a very different take on the Giants game.  In a nutshell, he shows that in the first half, the Giants did an excellent job of taking away what the Bills want to do-- an explosive offense.  A combination of good blitzes, and excellent man-to-man coverage aided by lots of tripping and clutching and grabbing by the Giants, utterly spoiled the Bills game plan.  Allen was 8-18.

 

In the second half,  Dorsey totally changed course and went with a ground and pound running approach that worked.  In their first two possessions (they only had three) the Bills had two long time consuming drives that used up most of the clock.  17 run plays and only 11 passes, and it nullified what the Giants successfully did in the first half.  Allen, with pressure off due to a solid running attack, was 10-11 in the second half, the incompletion being the pass to Knox late.

 

On that play, Allen had a run/pass option, and he hesitated in his decision making.  He thought about running and held the ball a tad too long before making the throw to Knox.  The result was a poor throw that still could have been caught.  But the play call was excellent and should have ended the game but the execution was poor.

 

I know everyone hates Dorsey right now, and I guess it is understandable and perhaps warranted.  But his ability to change approach in the second half and ***** victory from the jaws of defeat deserves some credit IMO.

he needs to learn to adapt faster.

[thenorthremembers]

My issue with Dorsey right now isn't so much the schemes but how he uses them.   It was especially evident during the Giants game.  Run, Run, Run or Pass, Pass, Pass.    Need more motion, more misdirection.  Love to see a jet sweep here or there.

 

I will say the play call on the Harty touchdown was brilliant.   Still early and overall the offense has been good.   

[Long Suffering Fan]

3 minutes ago, Casey D said:

A combination of good blitzes, and excellent man-to-man coverage aided by lots of tripping and clutching and grabbing by the Giants, utterly spoiled the Bills game plan. 

 

One of the things that bothers me the most about announcers is when they show a borderline PI call and then say that the refs will always call that.  Come on, announcer dude.  You have to know that it is a coin flip at best that it would get called.  All you had to do was pay attention to the game you were calling and you would have seen it uncalled several times.  Collingsworth is terrible with that nonsense.

[Casey D]

8 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Can you link to it? It’s not on the main page and I can access it with a link.

Tried to do it but failed.  Just go to BN sports page, it's right there.

2 minutes ago, Casey D said:

Tried to do it but failed.  Just go to BN sports page, it's right there.

It's funny, the word sn*tched is not a permitted word on the forum.  🙂

Edited October 18, 2023 by Casey D

[corta765]

13 minutes ago, Xwnyer said:

he needs to learn to adapt faster.

Chris Trapasso said watching it back Dorsey needs to learn run/pass balance quicker. He said once he found it the offense opened up. I think that is why the last two weeks compared to the prior 3 the offense took so long. Jags game it felt like we wanted to run and they aimed to shut it down, Giants we wanted to pass and once we switched things improved. Mix in some bad drops, penalties, and miscues like the fumble its a bad recipe if your slow to the gun.

[Captain Hindsight]

I noticed the man to man right away from the stands. It worked so well because Gabe couldn't get open. Diggs was bracketed a lot and Josh missed a few throws.

 

58 for the Giants was making some great plays and Adoree Jackson is a good corner. The fact we have a good running game saved us. Murray and Torrance have been the best pickups in years 

[Charles Romes]

When things were not working for Daboll he just pounded the rock with Allen as the ball carrier, mortgaging the future of the franchise. I’m willing to be patient with Dorsey, even sacrificing a few Ws if he is able to demonstrate a path to extending Allen’s prime.  

[juno999]

6 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I noticed the man to man right away from the stands. It worked so well because Gabe couldn't get open. Diggs was bracketed a lot and Josh missed a few throws.

 

58 for the Giants was making some great plays and Adoree Jackson is a good corner. The fact we have a good running game saved us. Murray and Torrance have been the best pickups in years 

Bobby Okereke 58 was flying all over the field

[DrDawkinstein]

26 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Can you link to it? It’s not on the main page and I can access it with a link.

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/professional/nfl/bills/jim-kubiak-bills-gave-up-on-what-they-are-known-for-to-do-what-they/article_20169eda-6d43-11ee-834a-9b13caabb97c.html

[boyst]

i really dislike that there is a website like this website that make it easy to read articles behind paywalls. it just doesn't seem fair.

Edited October 18, 2023 by boyst

[juno999]

Dorsey needed to switch to run game sooner.  Davis' fumble early on gave the Giants a boost.  Giants coaching staff has quite a few former Bills coaches which I believe gave the Giants an edge in game planning and preparation.  The Giants aren't going anywhere this season but played a spirited game and wanted this game badly.

[78thealltimegreat]

42 minutes ago, Casey D said:

It is behind a pay wall so I won't link it, but he has a very different take on the Giants game.  In a nutshell, he shows that in the first half, the Giants did an excellent job of taking away what the Bills want to do-- an explosive offense.  A combination of good blitzes, and excellent man-to-man coverage aided by lots of tripping and clutching and grabbing by the Giants, utterly spoiled the Bills game plan.  Allen was 8-18.

 

In the second half,  Dorsey totally changed course and went with a ground and pound running approach that worked.  In their first two possessions (they only had three) the Bills had two long time consuming drives that used up most of the clock.  17 run plays and only 11 passes, and it nullified what the Giants successfully did in the first half.  Allen, with pressure off due to a solid running attack, was 10-11 in the second half, the incompletion being the pass to Knox late.

 

On that play, Allen had a run/pass option, and he hesitated in his decision making.  He thought about running and held the ball a tad too long before making the throw to Knox.  The result was a poor throw that still could have been caught.  But the play call was excellent and should have ended the game but the execution was poor.

 

I know everyone hates Dorsey right now, and I guess it is understandable and perhaps warranted.  But his ability to change approach in the second half and ***** victory from the jaws of defeat deserves some credit IMO.

A 45 million dollar TE makes that catch Josh has been let down by his skill talent far too often 

[Saxum]

42 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Can you link to it? It’s not on the main page and I can access it with a link.

 

Do a google search - search for "Jim Kubiak" for last week.

 

It is NOT a paywall - it is a pay fence and there are ways around it.

Or send me PM with your email address and I will send you PDF of Buffalo News webpage. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

One would hope that when Kincaid gets back, he is another option against man coverage. That said, I am surprised that a guy like Harty can’t get open against man. 

[Low Positive]

Incognito windows are not just for porn. Just sayin'.

[pocoboy]

7 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

A 45 million dollar TE makes that catch Josh has been let down by his skill talent far too often 

 

We look back on this and it certainly feels like that extension had an extenuating circumstance. Knox has made plenty of good plays, so this is somewhat a "what have you done for me lately" sentiment we're rallying around to bash him. But the extension came right after tragedy, perhaps a goodwill gesture to help him through a situation no one ever wants to experience.

[Franco_92]

51 minutes ago, Xwnyer said:

he needs to learn to adapt faster.

The bills took at least 3 drives 5-15 yards into giants territory before allen either threw a pick, misread a mesh concept, Davis fumbled etc. It's not like the Bills went 3 and out 10 times before dorsey decided to try something different lol

 

 

[pocoboy]

6 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

One would hope that when Kincaid gets back, he is another option against man coverage. That said, I am surprised that a guy like Harty can’t get open against man. 

 

Harty's only seeing the field about 1/5 of the time on offense, guess it's easy to get away from man coverage when you're riding pine.