If the Bills Don’t Make it to the AFCCG, Should McDermott Be Fired?

[Chaos]

10 minutes ago, Success said:

Some fans don't understand how good McD is.

 

I don't think he's great.  But I'd also put about 2 coaches in the league in the "great" category right now.  If anyone watches other games on Sundays, it's pretty bleak out there. There is a LOT of bad coaching in the league..

 

And just to echo sentiments already expressed - who do you replace him with?  If it's someone unproven - and the vast majority of candidates will fit that description - you could really take a left turn, and then you would really be wasting years while we have Allen.

Zac Taylor and Nick Sirianas are probably not the two coaches you think of as great, yet both got their teams to the Super Bowl, by their third season. 

There may simply be some advantage to fresh eyes on the situation.  
 

[starrymessenger]

McD is a defensive HC and specialist. I really don't think he has much to contribute to the other side of the ball. That's not really a negative criticism. Its an achievement to be one of the best defensive minds in the game. Its really hard to do and that's a major advantage for the Bills. Given a choice I'd rather not lose that.  What the Bills and McD need to do is find and fully empower a qualified offensive coordinator and give the offence as much importance as the D in drafting and recruiting players. Maybe Dorsey is that guy, maybe not, but whether he can develop or not hiring an inexperienced guy from within at this time in particular was bound to set the team back. Its just pure speculation on my part but I have to wonder whether relying on a limited coaching talent pool is driven by McD's lack of confidence and desire for control. Hope not because if that's the case then I say he's got to go. Not that I think Terry would go there.

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, Chaos said:

Zac Taylor and Nick Sirianas are probably not the two coaches you think of as great, yet both got their teams to the Super Bowl, by their third season. 

There may simply be some advantage to fresh eyes on the situation.  
 

 

Lions OC Ben Johnson would be an interesting choice.

[starrymessenger]

1 hour ago, Gregg said:

 

I wouldn't want Bill the GM. Let Beane run the draft. Give me the coach who went to 9 Super Bowls with a 6-3 record in those games. Bill with this team and QB would get us past the Chiefs, Bengals. You can't argue with the results he has gotten when he had a great QB and a solid team.

And a good OC. That's the rub.

[Low Positive]

3 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Lions OC Ben Johnson would be an interesting choice.

People like to talk about coaching trees. What would be funny about that is that Ben Johnson is firmly out of the Adam Gase coaching tree. 

[Buffalo03]

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

Bill Belichick has 1 playoff win in 10 years without Brady.  He was on his way to being fired in New England before Bledsoe went down and Brady took over.

 

He's 85-90 without Brady.  His winning percentage is .485 without Brady.   Thats worse than Jack Del Rio, Wayne Fontes, Mike Tice, and Dave Wannstedt.    He's made the playoffs 2 of 10 years without Brady.

 

If you really want to give up a 49 year old head coach for a guy who will be 72 next year, and hasnt shown he is half the coach McDermott is without Tom Brady, I'd say you were the type to make irrational decisions based on emotions alone.

 

Tom Coughlin won 2 Superbowls.  He's only 77 maybe we can bring him back?     Joe Gibbs has 3 Superbowls, only 82, lets see what he is up to.   If all else fails, we could just Weekend at Bernie's Bill Walsh.  I suspect just his presence can will the Bills to the Superbowl.

Joe Gibbs and Any Reid can be considered better coaches than Belichick if you ask me. Gibbs won 3 Super Bowls with 3 Mediocre QBs. Andy Reid has a 92-49-1 record with Donavan McNabb and 5 Championship games and a Super Bowl appearance with him. He also has a 50-26 record with Alex Smith...Alex freaking Smith. We already know what he has done with Mahomes but he had far more success with mediocre QBs than Belichick ever had. People who think Belichick is a great coach are brainwashed. And by the way, he's 80-93 without Brady. 11 fully coached seasons, 2 playoff appearances and only one career playoff win without him. I love the "he's a genius", "he's the best ever", "he can do no wrong", "he knows the game better than anyone". He does not know how to build a team and coach a team without Brady. Before Brady started in NE, he had one career win better than Rich Kotite. I can't stand Belichick d*ck riders

Edited October 18, 2023 by Buffalo03

[Southern Bills Fan]

It would be really difficult to fire a coach who has been so successful. But it's also unusual for a team to be so successful for such a long period without even coming close to a Super Bowl. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

8 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Zac Taylor and Nick Sirianas are probably not the two coaches you think of as great, yet both got their teams to the Super Bowl, by their third season. 

There may simply be some advantage to fresh eyes on the situation.  
 

 

Siriani chimped his way into the super bowl, was the beneficiary of San Francisco not having a QB.

 

literally.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

25 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Why?

 

Because I think the fact that Terry constantly marries up their contracts tells you that he sees them as joined at the hip. And my contact in the organisation says they are totally a pair and it is inconceivable to imagine one without the other.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

It would be really difficult to fire a coach who has been so successful. But it's also unusual for a team to be so successful for such a long period without even coming close to a Super Bowl. 

 

Evidently, you've forgotten about Marino's dolphins. Made it only once in his LONG career

 

[BananaB]

1 hour ago, ddaryl said:

He is doing a a great job with the defense. I think McDermott might have to make the decision to find an OC who can design an offense more suited for Josh. Dorseys X's and O's aren't really working for Josh

He should be doing good with the D. The majority of early picks and a lot of money in FA goes towards that D, and has been for numerous years

[Gregg]

2 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

It would be really difficult to fire a coach who has been so successful. But it's also unusual for a team to be so successful for such a long period without even coming close to a Super Bowl. 

 

Eagles moved on from Andy Reid and he had a good run there despite not winning a Super Bowl.

[Southern Bills Fan]

Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

Evidently, you've forgotten about Marino's dolphins. Made it only once in his LONG career

 

Evidently you didn't read my post. Marino made a Super Bowl, we haven't come close.

[entropyrules]

10 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:

He’s the new Marvin Lewis. Status Quo

and the beloved Marty Schottenheimer

8 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

People like to talk about coaching trees. What would be funny about that is that Ben Johnson is firmly out of the Adam Gase coaching tree. 

is there a chance that a mutation developed and maybe Johnson is an evolutionary freak on the tree?

[Chaos]

3 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

Evidently, you've forgotten about Marino's dolphins. Made it only once in his LONG career

 

His Coach Don Shula did coach the only undefeated season in NFL history.  Personally I don’t McDermott has earned a similar level of goodwill to Shula.  maybe that is just me. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Chaos said:

His Coach Don Shula did coach the only undefeated season in NFL history.  Personally I don’t McDermott has earned a similar level of goodwill to Shula.  maybe that is just me. 

 

OK, so here's the challenge. Name me a coach you can GUARANTEE will get the Bills to a super bowl.

 

One.

 

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

8 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

It would be really difficult to fire a coach who has been so successful. But it's also unusual for a team to be so successful for such a long period without even coming close to a Super Bowl. 

Bills vs. Chiefs Game Center | 2021 AFC Championship Game

 

one game away, isn't close?

[Southern Bills Fan]

Just now, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

Bills vs. Chiefs Game Center | 2021 AFC Championship Game

 

one game away, isn't close?

Not when you get blown out.

[Starr Almighty]

I like Coach McDermott but... I would be lying if I told you I haven't dreamed of having a young up and coming Offensive mind get the HC job (Ben Johnson)

[Chaos]

5 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Eagles moved on from Andy Reid and he had a good run there despite not winning a Super Bowl.

Tom Landry was canned. Chuck Noll was forced to retire. Super Bowl winners Doug pederson and Mike McCarthy were fired. Drought derangement syndrome may be one cause of people over eating McDermotts success level. Another possibility is that some people think the performance expectations for coaches in the NFL wre too high.  
 

I think our closest comp is Dan reeves and John Elway. Reeves for nine seasons.  Shanahan tool ever and got the Broncos to the superbowl his second season     I think McDermott will be given the whole nine seasons 

5 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

OK, so here's the challenge. Name me a coach you can GUARANTEE will get the Bills to a super bowl.

 

One.

 

 

Absurd question. Name me coaches that you guarantee can’t get to the playoffs with Josh Allen and the rest of this roster