If the Bills Don’t Make it to the AFCCG, Should McDermott Be Fired?

[Gregg]

2 minutes ago, BananaB said:

We won’t make it to the afc championship game. Losing in the wildcard seems most likely right now.  Besides Miami we haven’t beat anyone good and we’re losing to teams we shouldn’t. 

 

The Jets are proving to be a good team because of their great defense. Even though they have a scrub at QB. Both Hall and Wilson are elite level playmakers. Jacksonville is a good team. Many had them picked to win the division. Which bad teams have the Bills lost to this year?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

10 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Wouldn't that be Beane's job. If Terry cleans house, then no I don't. But if McDermott is the only one fired then I would trust Beane to make the hire.

 

McDermott hired Beane, not the other way around. If McDermott goes, Beane does too

 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

Too many unknown variables right now.

 

Failure to make the playoffs would be a firm yes, time to make a change from me. That’s falling way short of expectations with this roster. 
 

Another beat down in the playoffs like last season will be the moment where it’s just best for the team to go in a different direction. 
 

 Even with our injuries though I look at the AFC as very much wide open. I still think the AFC Championship is an attainable goal as no one team really looks dominant.

 

He is doing a great job coaching the Defense and I think we are finally seeing the dline play how he has envisioned for the past number of years. They need to figure out the Offense imo. That falls on Dorsey and maybe even Beane to make a move..

 

Does Beane get a pass? Mcd basically brought him in.   Whiffed on a number of draft picks.. maybe not aggressive enough to put us over the top? I still wonder if one survives while one does not. 

 

 

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

39 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This shouldn't be relevant to the decision on McDermott but HELL NO. Terry has hired one good HC-GM combo in multiple attempts across two franchises. His reluctance to move on from them may in part be that he knows he sucks at this. 

 

Whether it should or shouldn't be relevant isn't relevant, honestly. It's a legitimate consideration, because for every McVay, there's a dozen Staleys

 

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

McDermott hired Beane, not the other way around. If McDermott goes, Beane does too

 

 

Terry will decide who stays and goes. You might be right but if Terry decides McDermott is the main reason for these playoff failures, then I could see him keeping Beane and let him hire the next HC.

[Donuts and Doritos]

No. But if it's another anemic offensive performance that ousts them, then Dorsey should go.

[FireChans]

55 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Why. So we can have Allen’s third oc next year and his fourth oc the following year. 

Because despite being unable to get over the hump, imo McD isn’t completely out of good will.

[zow2]

Sean McDungy needs to get these guys to a Super Bowl or in my opinion, the prime Josh Allen years have been wasted.

[bmur66]

The last game last year. The first game this year. The London $#!+ show and now the Giants. This team is showing up not ready to play. That does not bode well for a team that is built to be a perennial contender. Someone is not getting the best out of their players or putting them in position to succeed. If this isn't reversed very soon someone should be sharpening the axe.

Edited October 18, 2023 by bmur66

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Sean McDungy needs to get these guys to a Super Bowl or in my opinion, the prime Josh Allen years have been wasted.

 

Allen is 26.

 

 

[BarleyNY]

8 hours ago, Gugny said:

If the Bills Don’t Make it to the AFCCG, Should McDermott Be Fired?

 

I’m not in the Super Bowl or Bust crowd, but I am frustrated with what feels like Josh Allen’s prime years being wasted. 
 

The question posed is assuming Allen starts/plays every game this season. 
 

My vote is yes. 

 

Yes. IMO it should have already happened so I’d be on board with it. But realistically it depends on specifics this season that we don’t have yet so I’ll let it play out first. I think the Pegulas give him 2024 regardless based on the roster and his contract (as well as Beane’s). 

 

But to your point, I loathe the main arguments against moving on that I heard last off-season:

- brought us out of our malaise and became a very good team

- good performance every season and are in the mix for playoffs/SB every year (aka it could be worse with others in charge)

 

The reality is that we have a top 3 QB. With competent roster building and coaching we should be in the mix for a championship every season because of that alone. Yet we’ve only made it to the AFCC game once - and McD blew our trip to the SB with egregiously poor management at the end. To me that’s underperformance. If it happens this season, then can him. 

 

One last point of frustration: Zero playoff wins against teams with a realistic shot at a championship. Zero. What has been the best team we’ve beaten in the playoffs under McD/Beane? Probably the Ravens with a gimpy Lamar missing part of the game. And I don’t think that qualifies. If that doesn’t change bigly, then we need to move on. 

Edited October 18, 2023 by BarleyNY

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

 

Is it possible that Beane could be responsible for hiring a new HC.  My understanding is that the GM hiring the coach is a pretty common method. 

 

There is no world in which McDermott goes and Beane stays. 

[Xwnyer]

However major changes may need to be made on the OC side.

[boater]

These tired and worn out "Fire McD.. wasting Allen's best years" crusades never address the next more important question: And replace him with who? I especially love the arrogant statements along the lines of "Who wouldn't want to work with Josh Allen"

 

Name the new coach and why you think:

• he would be a step up from McD
• he will be available
• he'd be interested in the Bills
• his family would be willing to move to WNY (we've lost a couple there)
• he would work well with Beane
• Pegs would be willing to eat the remaining 4 years of McD's contract

I caution against naming any college coaches. Most want nothing to do with the NFL. The ones who try are often wash-outs.

[Gregg]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

There is no world in which McDermott goes and Beane stays. 

 

Sure, there is. Terry Pegula the most powerful man in Bills land may decide to keep Beane and fire McDermott. Former Jets coach Adam Gase recommended Joe Douglas for the Jets GM position. Douglas is still there and Gase is coaching HC football somewhere. So, it can happen.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Gregg said:

 

Sure, there is. Terry Pegula the most powerful man in Bills land may decide to keep Beane and fire McDermott. Former Jets coach Adam Gase recommended Joe Douglas for the Jets GM position. Douglas is still there and Gase is coaching HC football somewhere. So, it can happen.

 

These two are not those two. 

[TH3]

9 hours ago, Gugny said:

If the Bills Don’t Make it to the AFCCG, Should McDermott Be Fired?

 

I’m not in the Super Bowl or Bust crowd, but I am frustrated with what feels like Josh Allen’s prime years being wasted. 
 

The question posed is assuming Allen starts/plays every game this season. 
 

My vote is yes. 

Good for you

[Gregg]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

These two are not those two. 

 

At the end of the day, it's Terry's call. If he wants them back, they will be back. If he wants to clean house, then they are both gone. If he wants to keep one and fire the other than that will happen. 

[Virgil]

I voted no.  However, if they actually did fire him, they better have a plan B ready to roll.  There better be someone they know will succeed.  I don’t want to fire him for a hopeful up-and-coming coordinator.  

[Gregg]

6 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I voted no.  However, if they actually did fire him, they better have a plan B ready to roll.  There better be someone they know will succeed.  I don’t want to fire him for a hopeful up-and-coming coordinator.  

 

Assuming he is available after this season.