If the Bills Don’t Make it to the AFCCG, Should McDermott Be Fired?

[Negan]

If they miss the playoffs this year, Dorsey is probably fired.  Another year of missing the playoffs and McDermott will be fired imo.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Here's something for you knuckleheads:

 

Do you trust terry pegula to hire a great hc?

 

Be honest with yourselves, you KNOW you don't.

[teef]

I think there’s scenarios where he could be let go, but I don’t think not making the afc championship is one of them.   At least not for this year. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

7 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

At some point it has to be discussed

 

If we accept that our SB window is based around Allen's career it seems obvious to me the best HC for the job would be the guy we the background to maximize his potential

 

No offense to McDermott but I don't think that's him 

 

 

I agree 100%.  If we don't make it this year, then Terry has to do the hard thing. I honestly think that if Kim were still here running the team,  he would have been gone after how the team didnt show up for Cincinnati. 

[Chaos]

5 hours ago, FireChans said:

Dorsey fired this year, McD fired next year.

Why. So we can have Allen’s third oc next year and his fourth oc the following year. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

15 minutes ago, Negan said:

If they miss the playoffs this year, Dorsey is probably fired.  Another year of missing the playoffs and McDermott will be fired imo.

I disagree, and say McDermott and Dorsey have to be fired. At what point does he stop being allowed to throw coaches that he hired, under the bus?  I will say again, Terry will have virtually his pick of HC's. I would also like to see what Beane could do not being under McDermotts thumb to be totally honest.

6 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

Making the playoffs was the goal when we drafted Allen. 
 

I have not forgotten the past and McDermott absolutely deserves credit for helping make the Bills a perennial playoff team. 
 

But we are beyond making the playoffs defining success. 
 

This regime has had five years to build and coach a team around a top tier QB that can not only make the playoffs, but to get into and win a Super Bowl. 
 

They took many steps forward and have since been taking steps back. 
 

Another early playoff exit will be another step back … and another year of Josh Allen pissed away. 
 

Piss poor coaching lost us the 13-seconds game. 
 

Piss poor coaching (and playing) led to an embarrassing playoff loss against Cincinnati. 
 

And those are two years following an AFCCG appearance. 
 

The trend is heading in the wrong direction. 
 

McDermott is the common denominator. 
 

 

This 100%.

[GunnerBill]

23 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Here's something for you knuckleheads:

 

Do you trust terry pegula to hire a great hc?

 

Be honest with yourselves, you KNOW you don't.

 

This shouldn't be relevant to the decision on McDermott but HELL NO. Terry has hired one good HC-GM combo in multiple attempts across two franchises. His reluctance to move on from them may in part be that he knows he sucks at this. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

7 hours ago, Gugny said:

If the Bills Don’t Make it to the AFCCG, Should McDermott Be Fired?

 

I’m not in the Super Bowl or Bust crowd, but I am frustrated with what feels like Josh Allen’s prime years being wasted. 
 

The question posed is assuming Allen starts/plays every game this season. 
 

My vote is yes. 

The problem with a set "goal" like the AFCCG is there are always variables. If the only rule is Allen starting every game is the only one, I vote no.

 

It's football and a lot can happen on the field. Did we make the divisional round and happen to run into a buzz saw of a team? Did we get hosed by poor officiating? Did they have a game much like 13 seconds where they were excellent on the field? 

 

Here's my opinion. If the Bills make the playoffs and show up again like the did against Cincinnati, then yes a discussion should be had. If the loss is solely on poor coaching, then yes a discussion should be had. 

 

All that said, in my opinion if the Bills don't get it done soon then perhaps a "mutual parting of ways" may be what's best for the team and McDermott.

[Chaos]

The McDermott / Allen combination is already in nearly unprecendented status. They have been together a long time without advancing to the Super Bowl.  Actually the longest combination since the 1970's (Madden/Stabler).  NFL head coaching sometimes looks like a terrible burnout job (see Dick Vermeil).  My personal assessment based on what little I see on TV during the games and in interviews is that McDermott might be suffering a bit from burnout.  Assuming that speculation is correct, that all militates towards making a change.  

However, if in the post-season, the Bills seem to be meaningfully better than the post-season Bills have the past several seasons, the coaching staff should be retained. 

Separately, fear of returning to a playoff drought with Allen and without McDermott borders on being a true mental illness. This drought derangement syndrome should not factor into any decision making. 

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This shouldn't be relevant to the decision on McDermott but HELL NO. Terry has hired one good HC-GM combo in multiple attempts across two franchises. His reluctance to move on from them may in part be that he knows he sucks at this. 

Is it possible that Beane could be responsible for hiring a new HC.  My understanding is that the GM hiring the coach is a pretty common method. 

[bobobonators]

7 hours ago, Gugny said:

If the Bills Don’t Make it to the AFCCG, Should McDermott Be Fired?

 

I’m not in the Super Bowl or Bust crowd, but I am frustrated with what feels like Josh Allen’s prime years being wasted. 
 

The question posed is assuming Allen starts/plays every game this season. 
 

My vote is yes. 

If you weren’t the top performer at your company, you should get fired as well. 
 

I vote yes for you. 

[McDeerInTheHeadlights]

4 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

No.  He should be kept just to annoy those who have been calling for him to be fired, some for years.

 

I am SURE there are things he could have done to prevent injuries like putting all of the important players on IR ahead of time but that would not have necessarily helped record.

 

Time for some to take off CHINAGATE second hand jersey and show their other team.

 

On a side note, injury prevention was a big theme when the Bills opened their new/renewed training center. You know, with the state-of-the-art pre-hab facilities and such. I'm not sure they are doing any better than the rest of the league on that front.

[Chaos]

1 minute ago, bobobonators said:

If you weren’t the top performer at your company, you should get fired as well. 
 

I vote yes for you. 

This might be relevent if the other poster makes $8 million a year. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Unrealistic expectations.

 

Think about it. The next coach would have the same expectations. 

[uticaclub]

7 hours ago, Mr. Wonderful said:

This team under Beane and McDermott has had tremendous success.  With Milano and White on IR no shame in losing to Mahomes, Tua, Burrow, or whoever knocks us out of the playoffs.  People seem to forget the misery under Donahoe,  Levy, Whaley, Nix, and Brandon and coaching stiffs Williams, Mularkey, Gailey, Jauron and Ryan.  Geez!!!!!   

It all comes down to QB, if any of those coaches had Josh Allen we would be in the same spot

[Gregg]

If the Pats part ways with Bill Belichick, then I would kick McDermott to the curb in a NY minute if I were Terry Pegula. The results speak for themselves when Bill has had an elite level QB and a solid roster to work with. I soured on McDermott after 13 seconds. That was a fire able offense. Hate the guy all you want but he knows how to win in the playoffs and win Super Bowls. Plus, I think Bill would love to win a Super Bowl with another team besides NE. Just like Brady did.

[McDeerInTheHeadlights]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This is where I’m at. I’m firmly in the “yes” category here. He did a nice job rebuilding the culture but that is now settled. I’m not impressed by his record. His record has not exceeded the talent imo. That’s how I judge coaching. “Is your record better than if __ was coaching here?” I don’t see it with McDermott. There are dozens of guys that could have produced the exact same results with these rosters. They need someone that can elevate them to the next level. I said it before the year and I’ll say it again, unless they take the next step it’s time for a change while you still have prime Josh Allen.

 

Someone on here once made a brilliant comparison calling Sean, Doug Collins for those early Bills teams. He had Jordan and they became contenders. Once they moved on to Phil Jackson, they became 6-time champions. That really stuck with me and feels like such a fair comparison. We need more from our coaching staff than we are currently getting.

 

That's not the only example from the NBA. I seem to remember Rick Carlisle took the Pistons to the playoffs after a while, they still upgraded the position with Larry Brown and went on to win two championships.

 

The issue is finding that upgrade, but at some point it can and it must be done.

[uticaclub]

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

more like Tony Dungy.   The nice guy in town. He left town and immediately the Buccaneers win the SB with a castoff QB

Dont forget Caldwell went to has been Super Bowls in Indy as Dungy

[Gregg]

50 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Here's something for you knuckleheads:

 

Do you trust terry pegula to hire a great hc?

 

Be honest with yourselves, you KNOW you don't.

 

Wouldn't that be Beane's job. If Terry cleans house, then no I don't. But if McDermott is the only one fired then I would trust Beane to make the hire.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

7 hours ago, Mr. Wonderful said:

This team under Beane and McDermott has had tremendous success.  With Milano and White on IR no shame in losing to Mahomes, Tua, Burrow, or whoever knocks us out of the playoffs.  People seem to forget the misery under Donahoe,  Levy, Whaley, Nix, and Brandon and coaching stiffs Williams, Mularkey, Gailey, Jauron and Ryan.  Geez!!!!!   

“We were bad for years, so we should be ecstatic about continually falling short of expectations now” …. I’ll never understand this logic. I guess being good but never good enough is good enough for some fans 🙄

[BananaB]

We won’t make it to the afc championship game. Losing in the wildcard seems most likely right now.  Besides Miami we haven’t beat anyone good and we’re losing to teams we shouldn’t. 

Edited October 18, 2023 by BananaB