If the Bills Don’t Make it to the AFCCG, Should McDermott Be Fired?

[oldmanfan]

48 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Did you watch their last playoff game?

 

Or this year’s Jets and Jaguars games?

 

I’ve never seen more uninspired, “I’d rather be doing anything right now other than playing football,” football in my life. 
 

He lost this team after 13 seconds. 

If true he shouldn’t be there.  It’s not true of course but whatever makes you happy.  

[Gugny]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

If true he shouldn’t be there.  It’s not true of course but whatever makes you happy.  

So explain the playoff game. They were tired?  They were distraught?  Give me a break. 
 

Trevor Lawrence and Zack f*cking Wilson look like prime Joe Montana and our offense can’t keep up with them?

 

Let me guess. Jet lag!?

 

We’ve been making excuses for too long. 
 

As I said earlier … one common denominator. 

[oldmanfan]

5 hours ago, Gugny said:

So explain the playoff game. They were tired?  They were distraught?  Give me a break. 
 

Trevor Lawrence and Zack f*cking Wilson look like prime Joe Montana and our offense can’t keep up with them?

 

Let me guess. Jet lag!?

 

We’ve been making excuses for too long. 
 

As I said earlier … one common denominator. 

The 13 second game?  Dumb, Frazier should have had the D knock WRs down and McD should have overruled him.  I’ve already said that.

 

Jets?  Our star QB threw up on himself the entire second half.

 

Jags?  Again the offense didn’t play well.

 

Should we be 6-0?  Yes.  All on McD?  Because he’s HC theoretically yes.  In actuality certainly not the Jets game.

 

And the 3 blowouts.  Is he responsible for wiping out a really hot Fish team?  Don’t worry, I suspect I know your answer.

 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by oldmanfan

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

The 13 second game?  Dumb, Frazier should have had the D knock WRs down and McD should have overruled him.  I’ve already said that.

 

Jets?  Our star QB threw up on himself the entire second half.

 

Jags?  Again the offense didn’t play well.

 

Should we need 6-0?  Yes.  All on McD?  Because he’s HC theoretically yes.  In actuality certainly not the Jets game.

 

And the 3 blowouts.  Is he responsible blue for wiping out a really hot Fish team?  Don’t worry, I suspect I know your answer.

 

 

When the Bills lose it's Allen's fault

 

When we win it's because of McDermott

 

The guy just doesn't miss😂😂

[oldmanfan]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

When the Bills lose it's Allen's fault

 

When we win it's because of McDermott

 

The guy just doesn't miss😂😂

Allen is one of the best players the Bills have ever had.  He is to me the most talented QB in the league.  He has won a ton of games for the Bills.  But he lost the Jets game because he stunk.  He said so himself.
 

As HC McD is ultimately responsible for the team’s play.  When they lose he has to answer for it.  But when they win he deserves credit for it as well.

 

Is this really that hard to understand?

[GoBills808]

30 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Allen is one of the best players the Bills have ever had.  He is to me the most talented QB in the league.  He has won a ton of games for the Bills.  But he lost the Jets game because he stunk.  He said so himself.
 

As HC McD is ultimately responsible for the team’s play.  When they lose he has to answer for it.  But when they win he deserves credit for it as well.

 

Is this really that hard to understand?

You've convinced me. If not for being saddled with Josh Allen and the offense McDermott would probably be undefeated.

[oldmanfan]

37 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

You've convinced me. If not for being saddled with Josh Allen and the offense McDermott would probably be undefeated.

What a moron.

[Chandler#81]

TPegs learned the hard way with the revolving door at HC/GM with both his teams.  Beane/McDermott & Adams/Granato are very consistent, experienced and proving their value. Personally, I’m not a fan of Sean, but I recognize his real value.

 

6 hours ago, Gugny said:

So explain the playoff game. They were tired?  They were distraught?  Give me a break. 
 

Trevor Lawrence and Zack f*cking Wilson look like prime Joe Montana and our offense can’t keep up with them?

 

Let me guess. Jet lag!?

 

We’ve been making excuses for too long. 
 

As I said earlier … one common denominator. 

Rousing rabbles again, I see. 😂 This crowd is too easy. You need a more competent stage for this act.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

8 hours ago, Gugny said:

Joe - first of all, hello. 
 

But if you look at recent history, you’ll see that teams have won the Super Bowl with top tier QBs within their first 4 years of starting. 
 

We are in year six. 
 

Hello.

 

Payton Manning didn't win his first in his first four seasons. I'm not sure about Rodgers, either. You're right on mahomes, but that's mahomes, and he stepped in to  a 10 win team, not an utter wasteland like the bills. 

 

The key to winning a super bowl is first and foremost making the playoffs. Can't get there if you don't. The more shots you take, the better chance you make one. 

 

Also, I'd like to point out that our QB has been known to be a bit lazy in film study, and I think that shows in games. He very often misses wide open reads that other QBs would take. If the coaches scheme a player open it's incumbent on Josh to take that read, regardless of who that player is.

 

Does any of this mean I think the coaching staff is perfect? Absolutely not. But it's REALLY hard for me to dogpile on a group that's brought us back to back to back divisional titles 

 

Lastly, I'd like to point out that McDermott took a team led by tuhrod taylor to the playoffs. It's indisputable that that's probably the greatest coaching job in 20 years in the NFL, and it's a sham that he wasn't COTY for that performance.

 

 

[ddaryl]

15 hours ago, BananaB said:

I’m not comparing him to anyone. Most of resources over the past 5 years have went to improve his defense. Injuries or not, the group should be playing at a high level because of what the invested in it.  For most of that period our O has been getting scraps. Oline especially 

I agree about the lack of forward vision for the Offense / Oline... I put that on Beane 

[Ramza86]

Good defensive playcaller, we believe he gets the guys to buy in(im not so sure the same schtick works long term), poor game sense.

 

Hes got DC written all over him. This team needs an offensive mentality. Simple as that. Some one who can truly maximize Josh Allen and actually invest and attack the offensive needs.

[JohnNord]

14 hours ago, Gugny said:

I may be guilty of mildly trolling in the past. But those days are behind me now!

 

This is absolutely a serious topic for discussion. 
 

I’m not calling for the guy’s head. But I think we’re at the point where we need to start asking ourselves how long we can wait for this team to go the distance with a top tier QB. 

 

It took the Bills 17 years to replace Kelly. 
 

I’ll be damned if Allen’s prime years are wasted on an arrogant, rigid, beady-eyed little prick while other teams on the NFL continue to understand how to build around Allen’s kind of talent - and even some LESS-talented QBs. 
 

My frustration and concern are real … and so is this topic. 

I think it’s a bit of an overreaction IMO.  The Bills have won more games than almost every other team in the NFL the past 4 seasons.  Obviously they haven’t won a Super Bowl but we all know what happened… the thing is to win a SB you really need to have a lot go right.  There are many years where the best team that season hasn’t won’t a SB or even made it there.  

 

I know you’re not in this boat, but thing that people who demand firing one of the most successful coaches in team history fail to realize is that making a move doesn’t ensure that things get any better.

 

There are people who have said the Bills should fire McDermott and hire someone w/o any HC experience like Ben Johnson in Detroit just because he’s the “hot name.”  Plenty of good assistants have made terrible coaches.  

 

Everyone wants to point to John Fox in Denver but that situation is an outlier.  
 

When SD fired Marty, they didn’t fair much better and never made it out of the playoffs.  Marty’s firing in itself is somewhat of an outlier as well.  

Besides this whole point is moot, because the chances of a McDermott firing are slim-to-none considering he re-signed a new deal.  

 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

On 10/18/2023 at 12:07 AM, Bills!Win! said:

He’s the new Marvin Lewis. Status Quo

Without looking it up, IIRC Marvin's issue was that he would get to the playoffs and basically flame out the first round--at least we've made some inroads there. Also, Marvin's teams weren't even the best in that division many years, while we are division champs consistently. No clear comparison, IMHO.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, ddaryl said:

I agree about the lack of forward vision for the Offense / Oline... I put that on Beane 

https://twitter.com/UberHansen/status/1715005901302645122?s=20

 

[Gugny]

28 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I think it’s a bit of an overreaction IMO.  The Bills have won more games than almost every other team in the NFL the past 4 seasons.  Obviously they haven’t won a Super Bowl but we all know what happened… the thing is to win a SB you really need to have a lot go right.  There are many years where the best team that season hasn’t won’t a SB or even made it there.  

 

I know you’re not in this boat, but thing that people who demand firing one of the most successful coaches in team history fail to realize is that making a move doesn’t ensure that things get any better.

 

There are people who have said the Bills should fire McDermott and hire someone w/o any HC experience like Ben Johnson in Detroit just because he’s the “hot name.”  Plenty of good assistants have made terrible coaches.  

 

Everyone wants to point to John Fox in Denver but that situation is an outlier.  
 

When SD fired Marty, they didn’t fair much better and never made it out of the playoffs.  Marty’s firing in itself is somewhat of an outlier as well.  

Besides this whole point is moot, because the chances of a McDermott firing are slim-to-none considering he re-signed a new deal.  

 

There is a chance that I may be overreacting, but I really don’t think I am. 
 

I am always careful to acknowledge and respect the good things that McDermott has done.
 

But becoming a regular-season warrior doesn’t grant one immunity from criticism for post-season shortcomings. 
 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, Gugny said:

There is a chance that I may be overreacting, but I really don’t think I am. 
 

I am always careful to acknowledge and respect the good things that McDermott has done.
 

But becoming a regular-season warrior doesn’t grant one immunity from criticism for post-season shortcomings. 
 

I mean, shouldn't we maybe wait till the post-season this year?

 

 

[BananaB]

1 hour ago, ddaryl said:

I agree about the lack of forward vision for the Offense / Oline... I put that on Beane 

With McD we’re always gonna be building this team around his D instead of around Allen. 

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I mean, shouldn't we maybe wait till the post-season this year?

 

 

Had we been improving year-to-year, then yes. 
 

But the team has gone backwards year-to-year. 
 

I think it’s the perfect time for this discussion, since we’re 1/3 of the way through the regular season and the six games played have shown continued inconsistency, continued lack of execution and continued lack of discipline. 
 

 

[Chaos]

The premise of the original post was not to consider mcdermott for not winning the super bowl, but rather advancing to the NFL final four.  That is a meaningful accomplishment but only 50% of the way to finishing a post season with a championship.  (WC,divisional,conf champ, super bowl).

To be fair I decided to take a look on the coaches who have made it to the championship game since McDermott became head coach.

AFC:
Andy Reid, 2018,2019,2020,2021, 2022

Zac Taylor, 2021, 2022

Bill Belichek, 2018

Mike Vrabel, 2019
Sean McDermott, 2020

NFC:
Sean McVay 2018,2021

Sean Peyton 2018

Kyle Shanahan. 2019,2021,2022

Matt Lafleur, 2019, 2020

Bruce Arians, 2020

Nick Sirianni, 2022

 

Everyone on the list is a good coach.  Not everyone is the best coach.  It should be noted, that not everyone had 5 shots, because of when they were hired, or retired.

 

There is only two guys who are guaranteed to be in the HOF someday. Although I expect at least 4 to be there eventually.

 

 

[Big Turk]

Get this thru your brain.

 

McDermott is NOT getting fired after this season for any reason. 

 

Him and Beane just got extensions. They are not going anywhere.

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Big Turk