Week 7 Bills @ Patriots - on to Foxborough!

[newcam2012]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

We’re doing more from under center this year than we were any other Daboll/Dorsey offense. He was was also traded 
 

I think Moss would fit in this 2023 offense. But Harris and Murray are nice additions. 
 

Worth nothing he was traded Nov 1. He didn’t spend much time under OC Dorsey. 

But how much do the Bills run under center? That has to be put into the equation. 

[PatsFanNH]

5 minutes ago, njbuff said:

It's not the end of the world if the Pats win just one game all season.

 

They will get their hands on Williams or Maye (who I think is better and one hell of a prospect).

 

Nice prize for having a bad year with a bad team.

 

Question is.... Is it BB with Williams or Maye or is it a new HC/GM?

I am thinking Mayo will be the HC next year just not sure who the GM will be.

[newcam2012]

57 minutes ago, uninja said:

 

That's honestly purely volume, look at his carries/attempts in Buffalo vs the amount of carries he's getting in Indy. He had maybe 90-110 carries a year with the Bills. This year in Indy he's played 5 games and has 96 carries already. His stats are not THAT much better in Indy than they were here but his attempts per game is almost DOUBLE in Indy what it was in Buffalo.

I agree with the volume. 

[Low Positive]

12 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I agree with the volume. 

When Uncle Rico is your starting QB, you’re going to hand the ball off a LOT.

[WideNine]

6 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

It's not so much as the WTF momonents, it just seems to be so vanilla.  Throw to Diggs, run from shotgun then throw to Diggs. Just doesn't seem to be any creativity or real flow. Plus running basically the same O that Daboll was running. It just seems stale. No sweeps, barely use our TE's. 

 

I'm not a hater of Dorsey,  I just expected more "creativity" from a QB minded OC. At least Dabs had some gadget plays in his pocket. 

 

With McD being a D minded coach and now running the D I just think he should have a very well experienced OC. Especially because I think he is the kind of coach that puts a lot of trust in the hands of others (delegates). 

 

Maybe I'm wrong and McD is calling for a basic O gameplan and wants to control the game with the D?🤔  Just would seem odd when you have Josh as your QB.

 

I'll wait to see what the O does this weekend, but if Dorsey doesn't kick it up a notch or two, Whoa Nellie, it's going to get loud around here!😱

 

I'll admit last week's game plan seemed uninspired, but so many plays were left on the field that it may have been a good plan going in - who knows?

 

It devolved into funnel everything to Diggs who makes plays and to Murray to dig us out of a rutt rushing and providing the occasional veteran pass pro that Cook is still lacking in his game.

 

We show jet motion a lot, but rarely actually use it. Allen looked better operating more from under center in that 12 personnel package.

 

I think they missed having Kincaid in the lineup just for the way defenses have to account for him with their LBs, S, or Nickel defenders.

 

We will see if they execute better this week. They just need to stack executing and winning reps one at a time.

 

 

 

 

 

[Patrick Duffy]

20 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

But how much do the Bills run under center? That has to be put into the equation. 

 

That's the thing.....not nearly enough imo

[WideNine]

2 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

That's the thing.....not nearly enough imo

 

On a more positive note, it did not take McD long to make the defensive adjustment to the trap plays that were springing Barkley loose.

 

In past seasons I would watch us get run over for half the game by a run scheme before the defense made the necessary adjustments.

 

That is an improvement.

 

 

 

[Patrick Duffy]

21 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

I am thinking Mayo will be the HC next year just not sure who the GM will be.

 

Obviously never know how these things eventually turn out, but he is an interesting one to me and I just get the feeling he could be a good HC, especially if he can be in a situation to have something to work with or build upon

7 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

On a more positive note, it did not take McD long to make the defensive adjustment to the trap plays that were springing Barkley loose.

 

In past seasons I would watch us get run over for half the game by a run scheme before the defense made the necessary adjustments.

 

That is an improvement.

 

 

 

 

You're correct and that's what you expect in a DC/HC. Adjustments have to be made, but some just do it sooner than others I guess...

[Big Turk]

 

 

 

Extend his franchise record streak?  

 

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by Big Turk

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

I listened to McD today. He addressed some of this and I agreed. The offense needs to execute. It starts there. You nailed it, just these wild lapses from all of them. And when they lack that focus and execution they can’t get into a rhythm. When they can’t get into a rhythm they fail. 
 

He also talked a bit about identifying what our weapons are good at, and putting them in positions to be successful. 
 

I thought it was a pretty fair inventory of the situation:

 

More focus and better execution. That includes our stars.

 

Better utilization of skill sets. 
 

Improve play calling and have an offensive identity. 

 

 

 

That's pretty much McDermottese for calling out Dorsey to get his ***** together.  People that want McDermott to be more critical or lay into him haven't been paying attention to how he talks about people.

[Mango]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

That's pretty much McDermottese for calling out Dorsey to get his ***** together.  People that want McDermott to be more critical or lay into him haven't been paying attention to how he talks about people.

 

I actually think McD will call out staff pretty quickly with stuff like "We have to be better with what we are seeing out there" and other general platitudes. 

While yes, I think McD is calling out Dorsey when he says "Understanding what our players strengths are, and putting them in a position to succeed" type stuff. But I think when McD was talking about the offenses failure to execute keeping them out of rhythm, I think he is calling out the players. 

Both things are/can be true at the same time. 

[34-78-83]

6 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I actually think McD will call out staff pretty quickly with stuff like "We have to be better with what we are seeing out there" and other general platitudes. 

While yes, I think McD is calling out Dorsey when he says "Understanding what our players strengths are, and putting them in a position to succeed" type stuff. But I think when McD was talking about the offenses failure to execute keeping them out of rhythm, I think he is calling out the players. 

Both things are/can be true at the same time. 

agreed, and I would wager McD is much more 'candid' with both staff and players inside the building. He's that No BS Dad all the way (that's a compliment).

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

I listened to McD today. He addressed some of this and I agreed. The offense needs to execute. It starts there. You nailed it, just these wild lapses from all of them. And when they lack that focus and execution they can’t get into a rhythm. When they can’t get into a rhythm they fail. 
 

He also talked a bit about identifying what our weapons are good at, and putting them in positions to be successful. 
 

I thought it was a pretty fair inventory of the situation:
 

More focus and better execution. That includes our stars.

 

Better utilization of skill sets. 
 

Improve play calling and have an offensive identity. 

 

 

 

I think it's part of Dorsey's job to extract more out of the players we have. But I also think we've done the Diggs-Davis-scrub WR routine in 2022 and now into 2023 and we're seeing largely the same results. A Diggs centric passing game, with occasional spikes from Davis, and everyone else is sporadic (although I do still like Shakir). 

 

Baring a trade, the only potential to be different is how good Kincaid can be, and be utilized (unless we're banking on the Bills opening up Josh run plays again, or executing a better screen game with Cook). 

But can Dorsey extract 30-33 ppg from this offense? Is 28 ppg "enough"? Or is the main goal to shrink the outlier games? 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Beck Water]

 

 

Dang, Ed Oliver DNP.

 

 

Two bits of positive news there!

[Straight Hucklebuck]

12 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Here’s a question does anybody not think that the bills are not going to get past the slump?

What does not get past mean? 

Does it mean I don't think they'll score 30 ppg the rest of the year - no. 

 

Does it mean that they won't make the Playoffs? 

 

What is the exit criteria here? 

[Beck Water]

 

[CincyBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I think it's part of Dorsey's job to extract more out of the players we have. But I also think we've done the Diggs-Davis-scrub WR routine in 2022 and now into 2023 and we're seeing largely the same results. A Diggs centric passing game, with occasional spikes from Davis, and everyone else is sporadic (although I do still like Shakir). 

 

Baring a trade, the only potential to be different is how good Kincaid can be, and be utilized (unless we're banking on the Bills opening up Josh run plays again, or executing a better screen game with Cook). 

But can Dorsey extract 30-33 ppg from this offense? Is 28 ppg "enough"? Or is the main goal to shrink the outlier games? 

 

 

This is an excellent point and very true. 

 

[Beck Water]

 

Actually, Von, you can tame a mustang. 

 

I hadn't seen the full clip after Josh lit into Okereke. 

 

Gotta love the speed with which O'Torrence got there and inserted himself between Josh and trouble.

 

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by Beck Water

[billsfan89]

10 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

 

Dang, Ed Oliver DNP.

 

 

Two bits of positive news there!

Bills are banged up for sure. Dane and Knox will likely be managing those injuries all season. Could really use a bye week sooner rather than later but hopefully the Bills can just manage things for now and maybe add a piece or two at the trade deadline 

[Mango]

3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I think it's part of Dorsey's job to extract more out of the players we have. But I also think we've done the Diggs-Davis-scrub WR routine in 2022 and now into 2023 and we're seeing largely the same results. A Diggs centric passing game, with occasional spikes from Davis, and everyone else is sporadic (although I do still like Shakir). 

 

Baring a trade, the only potential to be different is how good Kincaid can be, and be utilized. 

But can Dorsey extract 30-33 ppg from this offense? Is 28 ppg "enough"? Or is the main goal to shrink the outlier games? 

 

They are currently number 3 in the league, so at scale 28.8 points is enough to be one of the best scoring offenses in the league. They will struggle some more, they will boom some more and likely finish around 30 points and in the top 5. 

The current frustration feels like the same frustrations others have had for 3, 4, 5 years coming home to roost. That is that this offense never ever seems to make it look easy and are/have been inconsistent. We never get our TE's involved, we rarely throw to our receiving backs, we are better than everybody at 3rd and long, but we keep getting ourselves in 3rd and long because we take too many low percentage chances. Even the Diggs targets have been high since he got here, he has gone 166, 164, and 154 targets since he got here. 

This has been the gist of our offense for years. it is time for it to take the next step. Part of that is the OC. But part is also player execution.