McD and Daboll hate each other probably 🤣

[Royale with Cheese]

35 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

If you are fat, you are one of two things: lazy or disabled. There is no in between.

 

I assure you, these guys are less lazy than you and you can't be a disabled person fighting at the highest level of combat sports/playing nose tackle.

 

 

 

Edited October 17, 2023 by Royale with Cheese

[folz]

23 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

If you are fat, you are one of two things: lazy or disabled. There is no in between.

 

Easy to say if you were lucky enough to never have to struggle with weight issues. Not every overweight person is a product of overeating and lack of exercise. Everyone's body is different. People who have been thin/fit their whole lives (without having to try) have no idea what it is like, so maybe you should be a little less judgmental. 

[GoBills808]

this thread has taken an interesting turn

 

lets see where it goes

[pocoboy]

My guess: Daboll being a defensive mind first spent an awful lot of time trying to tell McD how to do his job. I'd also bet that Daboll thought we needed to scrap more with the opponent, be more physical, instigate s**t. If that was the case, seeing his guys instigating from the opening kickoff tells you a lot.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

McD is just jealous that Josh loves Daboll more.

[Big Turk]

47 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

I don't know how to react to anything you just wrote.  Is this some Andrew Tate stuff or something? But go ahead and tee off on fat guys I guess.

 

No, it's actually based on science. The more fat cells you have in your body, the more estrogen you have and less testosterone as fat cells themselves are estrogenic and cause a negative feedback loop in the body which favors an increase in fat cells, which then produce more estrogen, which then lowers testosterone levels further as estrogen is the hormonal marker in the body.  

 

Typically(outside of environmental toxins, plastics and pesticides which are all xenoestrogens and wreaking havoc on the male endocrine system in their own right, but that's a topic for another day), the male body only has high levels of estrogen when testosterone production is too high and it's being converted via aromatase into estradiol. So the body responds by increasing sex hormone binding globule(SHBG) which then binds to testosterone and renders it inactive, driving levels down even further, and the cycle then continues in a downward spiral.

 

See?  You learned something that's actually useful today on these boards.

 

Edited October 17, 2023 by Big Turk

[blacklabel]

Not for nothing but the Giants were chippy and trying to stir it up all night. Sean probably didn't care for that. And Daboll probably didn't care for all the times Sean called him out for lack of a run game lol. 

[Big Turk]

Maybe McDermott asked him when the baby is due?

[TBBills Fan]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

Yeah, I was paying attention because it interested me.  During his 4 years in Buffalo, it was like Daboll went to Charm School.  You could see it in his pressers. 

 

2018 and early 2019, he was curt and veered close to throwing players under the bus (Beasley deflected catch that went for a pick-6: "maybe the throw is a little low, you still have to catch it"). 

 

By the time he left, he was relaxed, he acted as though he were personally concerned about each reporter's health, he was gracious, he seemed fun.

 

I can't say it was McDermott, but someone during Daboll's time in Buffalo re-cast him.  Dick Vermeil used to send his coaching assistants to Dale Carnegie, wouldn't surprise me if McDermott did something similar. 

 

Daboll came to Buffalo with a reputation for screaming and yelling at his players.  In particular, he was reported to be ridiculously brutal to Colt McCoy:

https://sports.yahoo.com/ms-silver_colt_mccoy_browns_brian_daboll_112411.html

 

Josh Allen tells a story his rookie year about going off-script and having Daboll just launch into him, screaming at him through the helmet radio, then calming down on the sideline, then thinking about it and coming back to scream at him some more.  He was seen screaming at Josh in 2019 during the NE game, at the same time that there were complaints about delays getting plays called.

 

After that, Daboll went up to the booth and he never game down.

 

I agree with you, not just sports but any venue, screaming and yelling at someone in public does not help performance

 

I think McDermott is probably very intense, and a player knows when he's "on the carpet" but he doesn't need to scream in public to convey that impression.

 

 

yup 

[Bruffalo]

16 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

No, it's actually based on science. The more fat cells you have in your body, the more estrogen you have and less testosterone as fat cells themselves are estrogenic and cause a negative feedback loop in the body which favors an increase in fat cells, which then produce more estrogen, which then lowers testosterone levels further as estrogen is the hormonal marker in the body.  

 

Typically(outside of environmental toxins, plastics and pesticides which are all xenoestrogens and wreaking havoc on the male endocrine system in their own right, but that's a topic for another day), the male body only has high levels of estrogen when testosterone production is too high and it's being converted via aromatase into estradiol. So the body responds by increasing sex hormone binding globule(SHBG) which then binds to testosterone and renders it inactive, driving levels down even further, and the cycle then continues in a downward spiral.

 

See?  You learned something that's actually useful today on these boards.

 

Okay, assuming everything you said is fact (I'm not going to bother searching for it) then the fact still remains that it is maybe tangentially related to what I said, but still a stretch.  

 

You went off in a random direction for no apparent reason to attack someone based on physical features, which is really bizarre and sad. 

[Big Turk]

Just now, Bruffalo said:

Okay, assuming everything you said is fact (I'm not going to bother searching for it) then the fact still remains that it is maybe tangentially related to what I said, but still a stretch.  

 

You went off in a random direction for no apparent reason to attack someone based on physical features, which is really bizarre and sad. 

 

Not really, but I don't feel like having to give you more science to digest.  That's enough for one day.

[Bruffalo]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Not really, but I don't feel like having to give you more science to digest.  That's enough for one day.

Don't need a refresher from someone who doesn't understand the difference in correlation vs. causation and uses "nuggies" unironically, so thanks for saving me the headache. 

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

Don't need a refresher from someone who doesn't understand the difference in correlation vs. causation and uses "nuggies" unironically, so thanks for saving me the headache. 

 

Haven't seen the new Mahomes/Reid StateFarm commercial I take it...

Edited October 17, 2023 by Big Turk

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

44 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I assure you, these guys are less lazy than you and you can't be a disabled person fighting at the highest level of combat sports/playing nose tackle.

 

 

 

You completely owned me with this post. You're absolutely right.

[Starr Almighty]

6 hours ago, bobobonators said:

Did you notice how Daboll was screaming at Tyrod to end the first half? And Tyrod has been around a while. 

You are aware Tyrod called an audible to a run play with no time outs. Apparently he hasn't been around long enough

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

43 minutes ago, folz said:

 

Easy to say if you were lucky enough to never have to struggle with weight issues. Not every overweight person is a product of overeating and lack of exercise. Everyone's body is different. People who have been thin/fit their whole lives (without having to try) have no idea what it is like, so maybe you should be a little less judgmental. 

I was overweight my entire life (still am, actually, but not grossly) and it wasn't until my early thirties that I learned to stop blaming my genetics. So while it does take a ton of effort for me to get in and remain in shape and I agree that many have no idea what it's like, the fact is that I was being lazy by choosing not to put in the work. You can choose to be a victim or a winner.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

You completely owned me with this post. You're absolutely right.

 

That fat hispanic boxer is Anthony Ruiz Jr and he beat this guy down.

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I was overweight my entire life (still am, actually, but not grossly) and it wasn't until my early thirties that I learned to stop blaming my genetics. So while it does take a ton of effort for me to get in and remain in shape and I agree that many have no idea what it's like, the fact is that I was being lazy by choosing not to put in the work. You can choose to be a victim or a winner.

 

Good for you.  Losing weight is harder when you're older and why most people can't keep the motivation.

[teef]

1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

If you are fat, you are one of two things: lazy or disabled. There is no in between.

look at you fat shaming!  spicy!

[Big Turk]

49 minutes ago, folz said:

 

Easy to say if you were lucky enough to never have to struggle with weight issues. Not every overweight person is a product of overeating and lack of exercise. Everyone's body is different. People who have been thin/fit their whole lives (without having to try) have no idea what it is like, so maybe you should be a little less judgmental. 

 

I was growing up too.  However in 99.8% of cases, the person can resolve it on their own. The issue really just comes down to "how big a margin of error do you have in terms of food choices"?  Some people have a giant margin for error and can virtually eat whatever they want without too many negative effects.  Some people have a very low margin for error.  At the end of the day it virtually all comes down to insulin sensitivity/insulin resistance.  

 

People who are having issues losing weight need to stop focusing on calories and start focusing on eating foods that will not spike insulin. Calories are important at the end of the day but the TYPE of calories are more important. Insulin is a storage hormone and while it's active fat burning is basically shut off. Normally insulin rises and then quickly falls once cells take in the glucose from the bloodstream.  In insulin resistant people the cells basically ignore the signal and it takes far longer for the glucose to get into the cells, meaning insulin is active for much longer.  

 

I could write a dissertation on this topic as I have repeatedly lost weight gained from winter "bulking" via these methods quickly and efficiently.  Most recently, I lost 65 lbs in about 6 months going from 245 lbs to 180 lbs, although this time it was a result of me completely falling off the wagon this time last year with diet and exercise.  Currently working to get to 165 lbs and 10% Bodyfat then start slowly adding muscle from there.  

 

In general, if you follow these rules you will resolve any insulin related issues:

 

1) Prioritize 7-8 hours of sleep every night, including staying on as close to the same sleep schedule as you can.  Lack of sleep screws up hormones BADLY and in favor of becoming insulin resistant and fat storing.

 

2) If it comes in a bag or a box and has more than 1 ingredient, don't eat it.

 

3) If it has sugar or High Fructose Corn Syrup(HFCS) in it, don't drink it.  Drink water. Lots of water. Flavor it at first if you must.

 

4) Eat quality, complex, slow burning, fiber containing carbs - oatmeal, sweet potatoes, basmati/brown rice, beans, lentils, chickpeas, etc...

 

5) Prioritize 1-1.2g of protein per pound of bodyweight. Protein is the MOST important macro for weight loss for 2 reasons: 

• It has the highest Thermic Effect of any macronutrient at 30-40%, meaning your body must expend calories to enable the protein to be used
• It helps to maintain as much muscle as possible while losing weight and ensures the weight lost is predominantly fat. The goal shouldn't be to lost weight, it should be to lose fat. Losing lean body mass is NOT what you want to as great a degree as possible 

6) Try to eat the color of the rainbow everyday in terms of fruits and vegetables(especially vegetables). The different colors denote different nutrients and anti-oxidants the body needs.  

 

7) Alcohol is the equivalent of a tornado on a building for losing weight.  Try to keep it to a minimum of 2 nights a week and 2 drinks on those nights.  I personally will not drink while I am training, I work too hard to lose 50% of the result or more.

 

8 ) Focus on short, intense resistance training 20-30 minutes 4x a week and walking.  Just walking.  Only cardio you ever need. It is a tremendous burner of fat and vastly underrated.

 

I personally am also a huge believer in fasting and I follow a 5:2 fasting protocol which means I don't eat twice a week.  This has a massive positive effect on insulin sensitivity and other metabolic factors. It's not necessary, but it definitely enhances results and efficiency.

 

[Beck Water]

35 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I think there is some frustration around Allen's game from everybody. Not necessarily the staff, but it is fair to say he is a rollercoaster. I don't mean this as a criticism. Allen is a dawg. I love him as our QB. Outside of Mahomes, there isn't another I would take on this team. It just sort of is what it is.

 

I am at a point where I think Allen more or less made Daboll. But because of how high the high's are (MIA) and how low the low's are (NYJ) there is some hesitancy to get away from what we have been good at because of how much the pendulum can swing. And that is how we ended up with Dorsey and why the staff was so hard up on making him the next OC.

All of that is to say, I don't really see this offense as wildly different than Daboll. It seems like we have just as many "Fire Dorsey" threads as we did "Fire Daboll" thread. The comments feel nearly identical.

 

 

 

In "not wildly different", the "wildly" seems like a bit of a weasel word in that any differences one points out can be dismissed as "well, OK, it's different, but not WILDLY".  Can you provide a bit of clarity about what "wildly different" means to you?

 

It's a valid point that some folks here go nuts with "fire xxxx" threads whenever there's a bad game or two.

 

I think Allen and Daboll was a mutual benefit.  I think Allen is hard headed, based on some stories Allen himself tells, as well as some told by his college coach.  There's a joke about the reliable mule trained with loving kindness: the trainer goes out to the mule (after the new owner can't get him to move) and whacks the mule between the ears with a board, to the new owner's chagrin: "I thought you said he was trained with loving kindness?" "Oh, he was....but first, you have to get his attention!".  Allen learned a lot from Daboll after Daboll had his attention.

 

From press conferences plus stats, it's pretty clear that a major point of contention between McDermott and Daboll was the run game.  McDermott knew, as a DC, that *some* threat of a run game is essential to keep defenses honest and would comment unfavorably post-loss on the low number of rush attempts at times.  Daboll would comment that it's all very well and good to talk about balance, until one thing just doesn't work and then you better have more of the other. It might be fair to say McDermott talked about wanting to be able to run, but Beane (presumably with McDermott's guidance) did not prioritize the resources in terms of OL and RB (neither Moss nor Singletary had the speed to turn the corner outside) to actually make it happen.

 

Someone, I believe it may have been @BADOLBILZ, also commented to the effect that Daboll was willing to run Allen into the ground at the risk of Allen's career longevity, in order to pave his way to a HC position.  Cynical, but a viewpoint that may have some truth to it.

Anyway, with Murray and Cook at RB and McGovern and O'Torrence on the IOL, it looks as though we may finally have the personnel to have a run game, and that's where Dorsey has the potential to differentiate his offense.  That's a positive difference.

 

Another difference I believe is becoming a theme, is that Dorsey draws up plays to attack defenses - he will combine man-beater and different zone-beater concepts in the same play - whereas Daboll would draw up plays to scheme players open against a specific defense.  The obvious flaw in the latter, is if the defense isn't correctly identified pre-snap, the play could leave no good options; the obvious flaw in the former, is that it relies on all the players running routes to be able to get open against the coverage they face.  This appears to be a Bad Plan for, basically, everyone on the roster right now but Diggs. 

 

It also seems to me that Dorsey relies less on pre-snap motion and trickery.