Unleash Josh Allen...stop trying to change him

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

100% agree OP. 

 

Let Allen be Allen. Take all of the good with all of the bad because the good far outweighs the bad. When he is on, he is the best to ever do it as we saw in the 2021 postseason. 

 

But OMG he leads the league in turnovers! And people freak out. Well yeah, he also puts in 40+ TD's every single year! For three straight years and counting. Don't give a rip if my QB has 20 turnovers if he still has a better than 2:1 TD:TO ratio. 

[Solomon Grundy]

54 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

See above.  If so, Josh needs to fix his thinking.

 

Diggs, despite only playing 1 more game than Kelce this year, already has 20 more targets than he does.  Mahomes isn't leaning on Kelce like Josh is Diggs

Maybe because the Chiefs are giving the ball to Pacheco more this season

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

7 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

There has to be some happy medium between reckless Josh and tame Josh, and that's what HE needs to find.

 

 

 

 

Not sure he needs to. He was on a roll in 2021. And to start 2022. I don't think he had found that happy medium. He was just balling. 

 

He's a bit of a roller coaster but I believe it's a roller coaster that can get us to a Super Bowl. Not every year, but him playing free consistently is probably the best chance we have of him leading the team to the Super Bowl. 

[Since1981]

The mere threat of his run changes defenses. Why tell our foes what he will or won’t do? (See “war”)

Stupid. Run him a few times early so D play spy and/or open routes. 

[AlfaBill]

3 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

100% agree OP. 

 

Let Allen be Allen. Take all of the good with all of the bad because the good far outweighs the bad. When he is on, he is the best to ever do it as we saw in the 2021 postseason. 

 

But OMG he leads the league in turnovers! And people freak out. Well yeah, he also puts in 40+ TD's every single year! For three straight years and counting. Don't give a rip if my QB has 20 turnovers if he still has a better than 2:1 TD:TO ratio. 

Why does it have to be all or nothing? The goal is to make him better, more effective and efficient. Take the big plays, take the check downs, run when it’s there but slide instead of leaping or trucking someone. If Josh can’t change his game somethings wrong. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Just now, AlfaBill said:

Why does it have to be all or nothing? The goal is to make him better, more effective and efficient. Take the big plays, take the check downs, run when it’s there but slide instead of leaping or trucking someone. If Josh can’t change his game somethings wrong. 

 

For one, he may be incapable of changing without it affecting his game to the point where he is less of a weapon than if he were to just trust his natural instinct. 

 

 I rather him continue to play free which means he gets on those hot streaks where he is the best to ever do it. If he plays at that level enough it is only a matter of time before he strings together three games in the postseason to get us to the Super Bowl. It was a weird set of circumstances and a perfect storm of Mahomes, Kelce, Hill and Reid that prevented that from already happening. 

 

 

[AlfaBill]

4 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

For one, he may be incapable of changing without it affecting his game to the point where he is less of a weapon than if he were to just trust his natural instinct. 

 

 I rather him continue to play free which means he gets on those hot streaks where he is the best to ever do it. If he plays at that level enough it is only a matter of time before he strings together three games in the postseason to get us to the Super Bowl. It was a weird set of circumstances and a perfect storm of Mahomes, Kelce, Hill and Reid that prevented that from already happening. 

 

 

I would disagree. Josh has shown that he is a smart and dedicated athlete who can change his game. I just think they haven’t yet found the correct mix. They went from scorched earth Josh to this version which is too conservative. I’m sure by the playoffs they will have it figured out and ride it to a SB championship 

Edited October 17, 2023 by AlfaBill

[mrags]

8 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

This is how I feel, but I think the coaches  have screwed him up to the point where he now believes his running ability is on par with cement shoes Bledsoe.  

Unfortunately this is likely the case. Old “sleep in separate beds as my wife” conservative McClappy sure ruined the most dangerous weapon in the entire league. 

Edited October 17, 2023 by mrags

[Mr. WEO]

22 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Maybe because the Chiefs are giving the ball to Pacheco more this season

or something 

[Mango]

I posted this in the PGT, but works here.

 

I think that is a super dangerous road to go down. 
 

If Josh not running has “killed this offense”, then that means Allen’s arm/decision making aren’t good enough, and running the ball is the solution. 
 

I love a good mobile QB, but long term success in this league is dictated by being a great passer first, and athlete second. At some point in every mobile QB’s career they either had to figure it out or they flamed out. If Allen is going to do this for a long time at a high level this is something he’ll have to hone in on. 
 

I have been critical on some of the decision making. But I don’t think Allen’s arm is killing the offense either, and I don’t think he’ll flame out.
 

I think talking about how Allen “needs his legs” is way more condemning than talking about him being a better decision maker at times.  

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

He should have tucked it and ran for the 1st then slid

 

Problem is he had a defensive end bearing down on him. I don’t know if he makes it more than a yard or two.

 

Thats why Dawkins was standing there guarding no one.

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 hours ago, Chaos said:

Bills need a head coach who is Allen's partner for the rest of Allen's career.  Whether it was/is Bill Walsh, Bill Belichek, Tom Landry, Chuck Noll, Marv Levy or Andy Reid, this is the best formula for sustained championship level play. The Bills have solved the hard part they have the QB.  Having a head coach who seems proud of not understanding offense (and certainly not responsible or accountable for it) seems to not be the optimal strategy.  A series of OC's who leave because they succeed, or leave because they fail, have one thing in common, they leave is not a substitute.  Its negligence for McDermott to be in his 6th season with Allen, and the team seems to be experimenting on how to use a world class QB.  A change in coaching is no guarantee of success.  The status quo shows no evidence it will ever succeed. 

There are 3 active coaches in the nfl with better win percentages than McDermott; Ried, who he could surpass next weekend, BB, and Lafleur.  What ever Your metric is for success has a hefty challenge… 
 

He’s not going anywhere. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

100% agree OP. 

 

Let Allen be Allen. Take all of the good with all of the bad because the good far outweighs the bad. When he is on, he is the best to ever do it as we saw in the 2021 postseason. 

 

But OMG he leads the league in turnovers! And people freak out. Well yeah, he also puts in 40+ TD's every single year! For three straight years and counting. Don't give a rip if my QB has 20 turnovers if he still has a better than 2:1 TD:TO ratio. 

Good doesn’t outweigh bad- see jets game. 
 

Allen is at his best when he gets the ball out fast in rhythm and distributes around the field, then occasionally makes and absurd play. See Washington Miami and Raiders game. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

46 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Good doesn’t outweigh bad- see jets game. 
 

Allen is at his best when he gets the ball out fast in rhythm and distributes around the field, then occasionally makes and absurd play. See Washington Miami and Raiders game. 

that’s ONE example. Now show us all the other examples from the three years prior. The good does outweigh the bad. 

[Alphadawg7]

5 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

The post to which I'm responding, you made the statement that the Bills offense was one of the most productive, more productive actually, before Dorsey.

Since you can't pull 2 full years of Dorsey yet, it seems reasonable to look at 2021 (Daboll's last year) and 2022 (Dorsey's first year) and compare - no?

 

Or how else are you comparing, to be able to make that statement, since (again) you don't have 2 full seasons of Dorsey to compare?

 

 

False.  Josh has gotten hurt when he's running.

 

He's also gotten hurt outside the pocket, but  behind the LOS, trying to extend the play.

The comment you are responding to was a follow along of a previous post where I stated the Bills had the highest scoring offense over a 2 year period.  You’re responding to one post in a series of posts with the same poster.  

[John from Riverside]

They’re trying to tame Josh because whenever he’s out of control, he commits a lot of turnovers
 

But I don’t agree with what they’re trying to do with him right now you’re trying to get him to play smart not keep him from using all of his talents

 

Patrick Mahomes does not play out of control. He uses his short game and he allows his targets to get run after catch but whenever all else fails and nobody’s open, Patrick Mahomes will take off.

 

I thought he was more out of control as a quarterback on Sunday, getting into the scrum with the players fighting so that he could find a way to get himself hurt. I know he was sticking up for his players and I respect it but just because you’re 65 in 240 something pounds does it mean that you should be running around playing like you’re a linebacker you’re a quarterback play like a quarterback your team need you to make it to the end of the game

[JoshAllin]

If they limit Josh it's just a matter of time teams start adjusting to this. It's gonna be a struggle like the last 2 games without this huge X-factor of his. I don't see how they can even sniff last years win record anymore

Edited October 17, 2023 by motorj

[Billsfan1972]

Through 6 games Josh has 22 rushes.  He's been neutered.  

 

Comps

Jackson 60

Hurts 63

Fields 47

Jones 38

Mahomes 29

Lawrence 33

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

32 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Through 6 games Josh has 22 rushes.  He's been neutered.  

 

Comps

Jackson 60

Hurts 63

Fields 47

Jones 38

Mahomes 29

Lawrence 33

 

 

he came into giants game with the highest completion percentage in NFL. 
 

maybe Bob barker had a point. 

[Billsfan1972]

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

he came into giants game with the highest completion percentage in NFL. 
 

maybe Bob barker had a point. 

What does that have to do with not running?  Yes he's completing a lot and he is accurate.  The issue is he is barely running and not taking advantage when there are plays there with his feet.