Suggestions on how to address the Bills sudden offensive struggles?

[FireChans]

38 minutes ago, FireChans said:

In all seriousness, we need a legitimate, intentionally-schemed, slot position player that can run option routes that Josh trusts.

 

It is, by far, the biggest problem going with the offense currently. It was the biggest problem last year as well. We have ZERO players in that role. Part of that may be a lack of talent there. Part of may be an unwillingness of Dorsey's to use.

 

With Diggs and Davis on the boundary, both as deep to intermediate route options, we need a guy running 8-12 yard routes with the freedom to cut up the seam, or curl in on the soft spots in the zone. This offense doesn't have it. They haven't had it since Cole Beasley lost his legs. And Josh desperately needs it.

 

1 minute ago, HoofHearted said:

Should have said that 😉🤣

 

Im with you though. As far as personnel is concerned it doesn’t take anything special to be successful doing it. Just need to be able to read post-snap leverage. Like I said it already built into the scheme and were already doing it just need one of those guys to built rapport with Allen.

 

We also allow Allen to disregard his progressions whenever he wants if he sees a matchup he likes. It’s frustrating at times because we’ll have guys running wide open but he’ll be staring down Diggs because he likes the matchup there better.

I did lmao.

 

You are right too, though.  The more Diggs-centric our offense gets, Josh actually starts to over-commit to him.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Yeah I know, buoyed by those empty Jaguars stats late in the 4th. 

 

Gabe stinks. 

 

You can defend his pace all you want, he had his worst game of the season tonight, 3 for 21 and a fumble. 

 

2 for 32 against NY, 1 for 35 and a TD against Washington, 3 for 21 tonight. 

 

Half of the games he doesn't show up. 

 

Isn't it obvious that Allen to Diggs is the only reliable thing this offense has? 

 

Knox can't do it. Sherfield can't do it. Harty is a gadget player. Shakir can't do it. 

 

 

 They banked big on Gabe and Knox for the 3rd straight year. We're going to get burned again on it. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Just now, HomeskillitMoorman said:

This team is just really tight now too. I miss when they were having fun and playing loose and relaxed. 

 

Something happened to this team last year and it's just not the same anymore. 

 

Tomorrow WGR will quote DVOA and overall points, and say relax, but 3/6 games now this offense has not shown up and the defense gave them every chance they could. 

[HappyDays]

34 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

Players executed the second half. Calls didn’t change in the open field. They were the same concepts we ran in the first.

 

Felt like we went more run heavy in the 2nd half, no? With a few absurd throws from Allen mixed in. Our normal rhythm passing offense did almost nothing positive tonight. Nearly every bright spot on offense came from the run game or Allen making magic happen.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Gotta get Allen to start reading defenses and play calls correctly again because he is struggling 

 

Example that 3rd down at the end of the game, the read needs to be after the play fake check if Knox is open and if he is let it rip in rhythm and on time. If he is covered run, try to get the first but stay in bounds is the top priority

 

How Josh Allen read it, run first see he can't get the first then he came back to a wide open Knox. Problem was by the time got to Knox the ball is now late and off schedule, resulting in a poor throw and a tougher than needed catch to be made by a guy who doesn't have the greatest hands to begin with 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

The current offenses second best pitch is the power run game. 

 

They need to hammer it with Murray more. 

 

I don't see anything else that works in this offense right now besides Allen to Diggs and the power run game. 

 

When the Bills actually line up under Center and just run straight ahead. 

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Gotta get Allen to start reading defenses and play calls correctly again because he is struggling 

 

Example that 3rd down at the end of the game, the read needs to be after the play fake check if Knox is open and if he is let it rip in rhythm and on time. If he is covered run, try to get the first but stay in bounds is the top priority

 

How Josh Allen read it, run first see he can't get the first then he came back to a wide open Knox. Problem was by the time got to Knox the ball is now late and off schedule, resulting in a poor throw and a tougher than needed catch to be made by a guy who doesn't have the greatest hands to begin with 

 

That's a designed waggle, imo.

I think Allen has been seeing the field very very well.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

That's a designed waggle, imo.

I think Allen has been seeing the field very very well.

Good point it very well could have been but feel Knox would have been closer to the first down marker to be a potential blocker

[Freddie's Dead]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

Edit: 

Please feel free to take any screaming "Fire Him, Cut Him, light his yard on fire!" takes elsewhere.

I will help you with that if necessary.

Welp, that eliminates me....

[Warriorspikes51]

Designed runs outside the hashmarks for Allen to start games. 

Edited October 16, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Seems like teams are taking away big plays with 2 high safeties.  I think we need an upper tier RB and pound teams until they have to bring their safeties up.  Cook ain’t bad but he’s not that dude.  We need a younger more explosive Latavius Murray.  

Or use a FB to lead block for Cook. 

[HoofHearted]

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Felt like we went more run heavy in the 2nd half, no? With a few absurd throws from Allen mixed in. Our normal rhythm passing offense did almost nothing positive tonight. Nearly every bright spot on offense came from the run game or Allen making magic happen.

Same calls as first half though was my point. We got into no rhythm first half because we couldn’t sustain drives.

[TheWeatherMan]

5 hours ago, Simon said:

 

I think if Dorsey is more conscientious about not always letting defensive sets dictate to him, that he can call an efficient diversified offense that better suits this team. It feels like he gets in ruts at times and defenders can smell it, which makes things harder on everybody.

Some hard positional coaching from the WR and TE coaches to minimize all the self-inflicted wounds is probably necessary as well.

Thoughts?

 

Edit: 

Please feel free to take any screaming "Fire Him, Cut Him, light his yard on fire!" takes elsewhere.

I will help you with that if necessary.

They can start by getting rid of the shotgun handoff on short yardage and Diggs 1 yard out patterns.  

[Nitro]

First drive sets the tone.  The scripted first drives the past two games lacked execution.  Figure that out and the offense will roll.   when the Bills start slow and they take forever to get it together.

[colin]

6 hours ago, Einstein said:

Speaking only of this game…

 

We run the most amount of play action in the NFL and the Giants called our bluff the entire first half.

 

The LB’s we’re not biting on the play-action at all (they weren’t even moving). Thats why the running attack was so successful when we finally ran it (when the linebackers aren’t crashing the gaps, you can run nearly at will).

 

It was a scenario where the Giants were begging us to run the ball but Dorsey didn’t figure it out until the second half.

 

 

 

Dorsey is too slow on the uptake.  he has to learn to adapt better.

 

i don't know that he's worse than dabo tho.  i remember harping on about dabo just like calling random plays, not rhythm and no bread and butter stuff, same w dorsey.

[Xwnyer]

6 hours ago, Simon said:

 

I think if Dorsey is more conscientious about not always letting defensive sets dictate to him, that he can call an efficient diversified offense that better suits this team. It feels like he gets in ruts at times and defenders can smell it, which makes things harder on everybody.

Some hard positional coaching from the WR and TE coaches to minimize all the self-inflicted wounds is probably necessary as well.

Thoughts?

 

Edit: 

Please feel free to take any screaming "Fire Him, Cut Him, light his yard on fire!" takes elsewhere.

I will help you with that if necessary.

he needs to create better pre snap motion and also not having everyone bunched up on the line.  Also if I ever see Edwards in motion again on a play I will scream.  He needs to get Josh under center we run better and allows better play action.   I think he over thinks everything making mountains out of mole hills.

[Donuts and Doritos]

1. Commit to Josh under center, 40-50%. Get rid of the shot gun draw plays. 

 

2. Start emphasizing using receiving options not named Diggs, Davis, Diggs or Diggs. 

 

3. Actually scheme guys open instead of relying on guys to beat their man. More picks and rubs, quick slants wouldn't hurt.

 

4. Start changing up the tempo, no huddle at times to spark something.

 

5. Commit to the run game a little more. You don't always have to pass.

 

6. More situational awareness. When you have a lead run the ball to run clock.

 

7. A few more designed Josh runs.

 

Edited October 16, 2023 by Donuts and Doritos

[NoHuddleKelly12]

6 hours ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Honestly think Daboll just knew what he left here at Buffalo and while Dorsey calls his own game, that knowledge proved invaluable to the Giants in preparing to stop the Bills offense.

Agreed; and the Bills should’ve self scouted enough to know that obvious fact—maybe this would’ve been a good time to inject some never before seen wrinkles, trick plays etc.?

[Not at the table Karlos]

7 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Hire a senior offense assistant to help Dorsey evaluate his playbook.  His playbook likely has a good portion of Daboll's and Daboll clearly understood plays we play.

We have one. Mike Shula. 

1 hour ago, Xwnyer said:

he needs to create better pre snap motion and also not having everyone bunched up on the line.  Also if I ever see Edwards in motion again on a play I will scream.  He needs to get Josh under center we run better and allows better play action.   I think he over thinks everything making mountains out of mole hills.

Part of me was hoping we gave him the ball on a Jet. But then I remembered Dorsey doesn't run them. 

[Saxum]

Just now, Not at the table Karlos said:

We have one. Mike Shula. 

 

Clearly it is not enough.  He needs someone to question everything.