The Official Fire Ken Dorsey Thread

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

It was an easy throw for a HS QB and Josh blew it.  95% Josh, 5% Knox, 0% Dorsey

 

Throwing on the move is inherently not an easy throw. We are just spoiled by Allen's ability to make it look easy. Those sorts of throws are never going to have consistently precise ball placement. So as I said in another thread, you need dependable targets on the other end of those. Knox is not a dependable target. His awkward falling to the ground and letting the ball bounce out of his hands is a typical play for him. Why should he ever be the player we are relying on to ice the game?

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Throwing on the move is inherently not an easy throw. We are just spoiled by Allen's ability to make it look easy. Those sorts of throws are never going to have consistently precise ball placement. So as I said in another thread, you need dependable targets on the other end of those. Knox is not a dependable target. His awkward falling to the ground and letting the ball bounce out of his hands is a typical play for him. Why should he ever be the player we are relying on to ice the game?

 

and considering his wrist is injured, not a good idea 

[4merper4mer]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Throwing on the move is inherently not an easy throw. We are just spoiled by Allen's ability to make it look easy. Those sorts of throws are never going to have consistently precise ball placement. So as I said in another thread, you need dependable targets on the other end of those. Knox is not a dependable target. His awkward falling to the ground and letting the ball bounce out of his hands is a typical play for him. Why should he ever be the player we are relying on to ice the game?

Lol do you have Rosaries with Josh’s face on every bead?

1 hour ago, Trogdor said:

It's not a good throw. 5% Knox is some serious hyperbole though. The dude has 50/50 hands and is seriously overrated based solely on his friendship with Josh. If anything that's on Dorsey for dialing up a play to him when you can't afford a drop. 

Hard to call that “a drop” but you managed.  Congrats.

Edited October 16, 2023 by 4merper4mer

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Lol do you have Rosaries with Josh’s face on every bead?

 

It was not a good throw, but it hit Knox directly...both hands.  He needs to catch the ball. If he can't, then he should have sat out the game 

Edited October 16, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Trogdor]

3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Lol do you have Rosaries with Josh’s face on every bead?

Hard to call that “a drop” but you managed.  Congrats.

What would you call a ball in the receiver's hands that he loses when trying to hold onto it? It's not like he never had it and it hit the ground, he lost it when he went to the ground because he has awful hands. Professional players are expected to catch bad passes too. If you bought a Knox jersey just say it. 

[4merper4mer]

Just now, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

It was not a good throw, but it hit Knox directly...both hands.  He needs to catch the ball. 

Dude he had to lunge and his hands were two inches off the ground.  His hands were available…Josh missed them…..Knox moved them…..”hit him in the hands”.  OMG

 

Look, we won.  Josh played a big part in that.  So did a lot of other people.  We easily could have lost.  If we had, a lot of people would have played a part in that too.  Including Josh.  Clearly Josh is capable of great things, and is tremendously fun to watch.  He also makes mistakes.  When he does half of this board looks to immediately blame Dorsey, McD, Beane, Knox, Spencer Brown, Davis, until recently Tre White, or anyone they can find EXCEPT Josh.  It’s weird.

[BillsFan130]

He’s an alarming stat I just heard on WGR..

 

Bills run 11 personnel the 3rd fewest in the league. BUT… They have the 3rd highest EPA when running it. (So why not do it more..)

 

Bills run 12 personnel the 2nd most in the league. But they are 12th in EPA…

 

It seems like this 2 TE set which they adore for some reason, just simply isn’t as effective as 11 personnel.

 

Josh has always liked throwing to WRs. Go 11 personnel the majority of the time with Kincaid

[Green Lightning]

When the D made the stop on the 4th and 8 with minutes left, everyone I was with was saying endgame. I knew otherwise. I said the Bills would do two telegraphed runs for no yards and Eff up 3rd down and that the game is just as likely to end as a 16-14 L than a 16-9 win. That's because this team and this OC is incapable of closing out tight games. They continually let the other team back in. Really Dorsey, you can scheme up one damn first down to end that debacle of a game? The G-Men with no OL and a B/U QB took the ball some 60 yards to our 1 yard line in a little over a minute with smart play calls. Really, I am tired of Dorsey. He is not the guy to take us to the SB. We are losing yet another year  of Josh's prime. 

[4merper4mer]

4 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

What would you call a ball in the receiver's hands that he loses when trying to hold onto it? It's not like he never had it and it hit the ground, he lost it when he went to the ground because he has awful hands. Professional players are expected to catch bad passes too. If you bought a Knox jersey just say it. 

Lol what would you call a throw with two kids in the yard with no one between them and the ball is thrown at the ground instead of the player?

 

In baseball would this have been a wild pitch or a passed ball?

Edited October 16, 2023 by 4merper4mer

[Sharky7337]

Hes the tremaine edmunds of coordinators.

 

He does just enough for people to defend him, and its not all on him, but we havent had good chemistry consistently since.

 

People will quote rankings how hes good, but he was basically handed a top ranked offense. 

 

The eyes don't lie.

Edited October 16, 2023 by Sharky7337

[MAJBobby]

I will say you just faced a team that knows exactly how you are going to plan to attack him. 
 

with Dorsey Vs Daboll 

 

So that HAS to be accounted for in the first half. 
 

second half whatever Dorsey did as an adjustment it did work just enough to get to 4-2. On to NE. 

[4merper4mer]

3 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

When the D made the stop on the 4th and 8 with minutes left, everyone I was with was saying endgame. I knew otherwise. I said the Bills would do two telegraphed runs for no yards and Eff up 3rd down and that the game is just as likely to end as a 16-14 L than a 16-9 win. That's because this team and this OC is incapable of closing out tight games. They continually let the other team back in. Really Dorsey, you can scheme up one damn first down to end that debacle of a game? The G-Men with no OL and a B/U QB took the ball some 60 yards to our 1 yard line in a little over a minute with smart play calls. Really, I am tired of Dorsey. He is not the guy to take us to the SB. We are losing yet another year  of Josh's prime. 

Oh but he did scheme up a first down didn’t he? Follow the crowd…blame Knox instead of Dorsey….you know who can never be blamed….third rail….be careful…or is it the 17th rail?

Edited October 16, 2023 by 4merper4mer

[T master]

9 hours ago, VaMilBill said:

Guy can’t call a decent offense. We saw it all game that running the ball from under center was working. Why abandon that so quickly. 
 

Heck, Daboll seemed to run the same play 5 times in a row in the second drive of the second half. If it works, keep using it. 
 

Josh in the gun on then 1 inch line is inexcusable. 
 

Ken can’t adjust and has been a bad OC since the second half of the GB game last year. He needs to go ASAP

 

I have to say i'm starting to be pulled to this side of the line the Bills offense has produced much better when under center & every one else sees it but Dorsey i just don't get it !! 

 

I would love to see this offense with Dabol at the helm ...

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Sharky7337 said:

 

 

The eyes don't lie.

When I watch other teams I complain about how bad the passing game is. I watch a lot of offenses around the league.

 

Thats why I’ve never complained about a Daboll offense or a Ken Dorsey offense. 
 

I also don’t believe the Bills are loaded on offense around the QB like some other offenses. I have few complaints about the results. 
 

One thing I’m noticing the last couple weeks is drops are killing the offense. Timely drops on 3rd downs.
 

 

[Ramza86]

9 hours ago, Rigotz said:

Are we really proposing firing the offensive coordinator mid-season at 4-2 with a top offense?

 

You think throwing a brand new guy in there mid-season will go smoothly?

 

man…

 

What top offense? We played like dog**** offensively against 3 good defenses.

This is not a top offense.

[4merper4mer]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I will say you just faced a team that knows exactly how you are going to plan to attack him. 
 

with Dorsey Vs Daboll 

 

So that HAS to be accounted for in the first half. 
 

second half whatever Dorsey did as an adjustment it did work just enough to get to 4-2. On to NE. 

This is correct.  If there is blamed to be dished to Dorsey it is in the first half.  Too stubborn to move away from the initial plan.  The second half was pretty good.  One bad play call IMO with the shotgun on 2nd and goal, immediately erased by the pretty play to Harty.  The Bills put themselves in a hole and their best fit was slow methodical run based drives.  Dorsey called those.  The clock chewing meant it was always going to end up close.  
 

Josh mostly executed well as did others.  No one was perfect…..ok maybe Diggs.  Josh’s terrible 3rd down throw prevented the kneel downs.  The OL had a good run blocking game most of the night so I find it hard to chirp about first and second down.  There is probably something in there for Dorsey to do differently too, but the bottom line is he did enough and Josh wrecked it.  

[Big Turk]

Not sure how much of that is on Dorsey.  Allen seems to be having trouble with certain disguised blitz looks and from what I'm seeing, it "appears" he is not setting the protections properly for them leading to quick pressure when the BIlls have enough guys to block them. Not sure if anyone who knows more of the nuances can chime in, but that is what it looks like to my untrained eye...

 

Honestly, last night reminded me a lot of what the Bengals did against in the playoffs us where Allen looked bad for a lot of the game. He is going to need to figure that out sooner rather than later because it's on tape now multiple times.  

Edited October 16, 2023 by Big Turk

[PayDaBill$]

10 minutes ago, T master said:

 

I have to say i'm starting to be pulled to this side of the line the Bills offense has produced much better when under center & every one else sees it but Dorsey i just don't get it !! 

 

I would love to see this offense with Dabol at the helm ...

I wouldn’t we have Dorsey son of Dabs.  This offense needs new blood! It’s Dabs lite right now. No thanks!

[Nuncha]

Dorsey called a great game against the Dolphins then the offense was unwatchable the last two weeks.  Why does it take him so long to make adjustments when what he is calling clearly is not working?  They need to seriously look at replacing him this offseason (no way they fire him).  He's in way over his head.

Edited October 16, 2023 by Nuncha

[Dopey]

9 hours ago, buffalo2218 said:

After tonight, screw it, let Josh call the plays. Hell, let Diggs call the plays!! How much worse can they be?

A lot worse. Josh led the league in turnovers the last few years. Stop it.