The Official Fire Ken Dorsey Thread

[Beast]

Just now, kkim0904 said:

3rd and few inch to goal line.  AGAIN, SHOTGUN HAND OFF, LOSE 3 YARDS.

There is no excuse for that. None.

 

McDermott needs to be asked if he is going to have a talk with Dorsey regarding ***** like that.  
 

Friggin fans know enough what to run there. Even if it’s to the running back, line up under center!

[Comebackkid]

I'll say one thing....this dude is persistant with dumb decisions.   Then when he finally stumbles on stuff that works he cant stick with it.

some things that are so blatantly obvious and he just fights it tooth and nail.   

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Bills have left too many points on the field because of how stupid Dorsey has been with play calling at times.  While he’s finally doing the obvious elsewhere, he still is blowing points with bad decisions.  

For example? 

[Franco_92]

2 minutes ago, Beast said:

There is no excuse for that. None.

 

McDermott needs to be asked if he is going to have a talk with Dorsey regarding ***** like that.  
 

Friggin fans know enough what to run there. Even if it’s to the running back, line up under center!

We have scored more TDs handing off from shotgun at the 1 than under center at the 1 this year, and historical data shows that the shotgun runs are more successful. an under center run is actually the least successful run you can do at the 1 or closer, behind: 

1.) QB draw from gun
2.) QB sneak
3.) shotgun handoff
4.) handoff from under center

[buffblue]

17 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Yea, I really enjoyed how we scored zero points the final 25 minutes of the game and punted 4 straight drives. 

 

I also loved how we couldn’t get a first down the end the game, and imploded on 3rd and goal from the 6 inch line.

Another point of interest, 2/3 TD plays were improvised by Allen, and not the called play.

Couldn't agree more

[Beast]

2 minutes ago, Franco_92 said:

We have scored more TDs handing off from shotgun at the 1 than under center at the 1 this year, and historical data shows that the shotgun runs are more successful. an under center run is actually the least successful run you can do at the 1 or closer, behind: 

1.) QB draw from gun
2.) QB sneak
3.) shotgun handoff
4.) handoff from under center

You have 2 chances, a 6’ 5” 250 pound QB, and the new push the QB play.

 

Line up Gilliam and Murray behind Allen, under center, and pound the damned ball.  Allen or Murray. Whatever. The shotgun was stupid.
 

 

[kkim0904]

6 minutes ago, Franco_92 said:

We have scored more TDs handing off from shotgun at the 1 than under center at the 1 this year, and historical data shows that the shotgun runs are more successful. an under center run is actually the least successful run you can do at the 1 or closer, behind: 

1.) QB draw from gun
2.) QB sneak
3.) shotgun handoff
4.) handoff from under center

Josh under center, QB sneak for less than 1 yard to go is over 90% success rate.  I will take this anytime.

[Franco_92]

Just now, Beast said:

You have 2 chances, a 6’ 5” 250 pound QB, and the new push the QB play.

 

Line up Gilliam and Murray behind Allen, under center, and pound the damned ball.  Allen or Murray. Whatever. The shotgun was stupid.
 

 

I like pushing Allen too, but I'm not surprised if they're avoiding that when possible because he had to go back to the tent for his shoulder today. The point is, fans shriek when things don't work, even when they don't work but are in line with traditional rates and outcomes on the play. There is nothing inherently wrong with being in shotgun at the goal line, nothing. Teams score more when they are. That data has held true, decisively so, for decades. It spreads things out in the part of the field where the biggest asset defenders have is the compression it provides. Bills fans are insufferable, miserable losers even when their team wins, and the worst part is they don't actually know what they're talking about when they do it. 

[Beast]

2 minutes ago, Franco_92 said:

I like pushing Allen too, but I'm not surprised if they're avoiding that when possible because he had to go back to the tent for his shoulder today. The point is, fans shriek when things don't work, even when they don't work but are in line with traditional rates and outcomes on the play. There is nothing inherently wrong with being in shotgun at the goal line, nothing. Teams score more when they are. That data has held true, decisively so, for decades. It spreads things out in the part of the field where the biggest asset defenders have is the compression it provides. Bills fans are insufferable, miserable losers even when their team wins, and the worst part is they don't actually know what they're talking about when they do it. 

They ran a sneak for 4 yards after that series.

 

And I’m not buying your decades of proof.

Edited October 27, 2023 by Beast

[SectionC3]

2 minutes ago, Franco_92 said:

I like pushing Allen too, but I'm not surprised if they're avoiding that when possible because he had to go back to the tent for his shoulder today. The point is, fans shriek when things don't work, even when they don't work but are in line with traditional rates and outcomes on the play. There is nothing inherently wrong with being in shotgun at the goal line, nothing. Teams score more when they are. That data has held true, decisively so, for decades. It spreads things out in the part of the field where the biggest asset defenders have is the compression it provides. Bills fans are insufferable, miserable losers even when their team wins, and the worst part is they don't actually know what they're talking about when they do it. 

He ran a sneak in the next series. 

[Green Lightning]

I'll be on Dorsey until he actually can close a game out and get a first down in crunch time. 3:00 left in the game, close it out. We can't do it. 

[DrDawkinstein]

Tonight just proved the Offense is better without Dorsey and his ideas.

 

Back to Josh running. Back to Josh freestyling. No TEs so no 12 personnel crap.

 

Dorsey only got in our way with his bull#### shotgun plays from 3rd and inches and 4th and inches at the goal line. Literally cost us points.

 

Just let Josh run the O.

[Alphadawg7]

54 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

For example? 

The fact you have to ask that tells me you either didn’t watch the game or just are going out of your way for what ever reason to challenge or disagree with me no matter the comment as usual lol

 

No one in their right mind would have watched Dorsey once again on the goal line on 3rd down call a run out of the shotgun instead of a QB sneak and think he didn’t blow points.  
 

Once again we lost yards and had to go for it on fourth down.  And this time we didn’t convert and came away with 0 points.  The fact he did this again after not learning his lesson last time is unreal. 
 

Even the Bucs Coach knew they should have run the ball with Allen there and didn’t.  
 

 

 

Edited October 27, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[Bangarang]

Dorsey was better but still kinda mediocre and so frustrating. Thought he called a solid first half for the most part. 
 

Running Murray out of the shotgun from the 1 is so maddening. Also, can we please stop the screens to Diggs? It’s literally a wasted play. 

Seems like his play sheet is very limited. 
 

Liked the tempo though. Our offense is much better playing fast. 
 

Lastly, keep throwing it to that Kincaid kid. He seems to catch the ball pretty well. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

I hope Harty is not doomed to the Nyheim Hines role. 

 

He wasn't on offense all night. 

[What a Tuel]

16 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Dorsey was better but still kinda mediocre and so frustrating. Thought he called a solid first half for the most part. 
 

Running Murray out of the shotgun from the 1 is so maddening. Also, can we please stop the screens to Diggs? It’s literally a wasted play. 

Seems like his play sheet is very limited. 
 

Liked the tempo though. Our offense is much better playing fast. 
 

Lastly, keep throwing it to that Kincaid kid. He seems to catch the ball pretty well. 

 

Why do we do those screens to Diggs anyway? Isn't the focus going to be on him with extra coverage?

[HappyDays]

Again the offense is too streaky. We'll put together a few nice drives then disappear, or vice versa. Three weeks in a row now where we've gone like 20+ minutes of game time without putting any points on the board. A lot of situational play calls just don't make sense at times.

 

Edited October 27, 2023 by HappyDays

[gobills404]

Kept hearing nonstop about “wahhh the offense keeps sucking until the 4th quarter” and now it’s “wahhh the offense started out great and then sucked”. Points are points. Wins are wins. Stop crying.

Edited October 27, 2023 by gobills404

[Simon]

36 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

I'll be on Dorsey until he actually can close a game out and get a first down in crunch time. 3:00 left in the game, close it out. We can't do it. 

 

Umm, we picked up a first down with about 2:20 left.

[BillsFan692]

2 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Umm, we picked up a first down with about 2:20 left.

Also we play super conservative in that position which makes it difficult