The Official Fire Ken Dorsey Thread

[HoofHearted]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

Except they do.  

 

Example one Concept could have a Deep to Short Read progression based on the coverage shown, and flip the very next play.  So YES they do change play to play defense to defense, script to script.  So unless you are in those build meetings you can guess who the 1st read is, but as I said that is a guess.  Guessing is fine too.  But to say Allen is doing things on his own vs designed n the offense that is where I am calling for the proof.  which you have yet to show.

Yeah, coverage plays a huge role in progressions, but again they are all rule based. You're acting like the Bills are running some obscure offense that's never been done before. All of these concepts have been around for forever. They all have set rules and progressions. As a casual fan you could probably find them if you wanted to, but like I said - watch the film.

3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Two weeks in a row now the opposing team hit lofting the ball to an outside go with. Db draped all over him before safety help gets there. 
 

T-Law hit one to Ridley then Tyrod hit one on each sideline. Why is that not is the Bill arsenal?

It is? We rarely get man coverage to take advantage of it.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

Yeah, coverage plays a huge role in progressions, but again they are all rule based. You're acting like the Bills are running some obscure offense that's never been done before. All of these concepts have been around for forever. They all have set rules and progressions. As a casual fan you could probably find them if you wanted to, but like I said - watch the film.

It is? We rarely get man coverage to take advantage of it.

The Bills rarely run man coverage, I think the two Tryhard hit were not man, but was definitely cover2 safeties 
 

 

Edited October 16, 2023 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[MAJBobby]

8 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

Yeah, coverage plays a huge role in progressions, but again they are all rule based. You're acting like the Bills are running some obscure offense that's never been done before. All of these concepts have been around for forever. They all have set rules and progressions. As a casual fan you could probably find them if you wanted to, but like I said - watch the film.

It is? We rarely get man coverage to take advantage of it.

Again so I would like the proof that there is a progression that Allen said ***** it I am going to Diggs.  You have that yet?

[HoofHearted]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

The Bills rarely run man coverage, I think the two Tryhard hit were not man, but was definitely cover2 safeties 
 

 

1) I thought you were saying why isn't the vertical passing game in our offense

2) The one on Elam was Cover 1 and the one on Benford was 2 Man

[Buffalo_Stampede]

The question always comes up, who do you hire if you fire Dorsey?

 

I hear people say they want an experienced OC. I actually don’t. I would want a fresh face.

 

Thats the thing. Our offense is good. I don’t think it should be much better statistically. I think they’re right where they should be.

 

Add another top weapon to the offense and then I would feel differently.

 

Edited October 16, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Just now, HoofHearted said:

1) I thought you were saying why isn't the vertical passing game in our offense

2) The one on Elam was Cover 1 and the one on Benford was 2 Man

 That specific throw. I feel like corners play differently if there are worried it getting thrown into that hole over there head before safety gets there. 

[HoofHearted]

6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Again so I would like the proof that there is a progression that Allen said ***** it I am going to Diggs.  You have that yet?

Guess you just have to trust that a guy who's been doing this professionally for a long time knows what he's talking about 🤷‍♂️

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 That specific throw. I feel like corners play differently if there are worried it getting thrown into that hole over there head before safety gets there. 

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

Guess you just have to trust that a guy who's been doing this professionally for a long time knows what he's talking about 🤷‍♂️

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Yeah no trust me bro doesn’t work. 
 

back your claim that Allen is going off script. Where is the hold package Mr progressional. Ooo wait others also do this a long time professionally. 
 

Heck everyone makes educated guesses in every profession. That is much different than your claim. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The question always comes up, who do you hire if you fire Dorsey?

 

I hear people say they want an experienced OC. I actually don’t. I would want a fresh face.

 

Thats the thing. Our offense is good. I don’t think it should be much better statistically. I think they’re right where they should be.

 

Add another top weapon to the offense and then I would feel differently.

 

I’m envisioning someone like Micheal Thomas with those hands and that catch radius adding a lot of value. Wonder if saints would offer him up for a fourth or something. 
 

DeVante Adams is my pipe dream. 

[VaMilBill]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The question always comes up, who do you hire if you fire Dorsey?

 

I hear people say they want an experienced OC. I actually don’t. I would want a fresh face.

 

Thats the thing. Our offense is good. I don’t think it should be much better statistically. I think they’re right where they should be.

 

Add another top weapon to the offense and then I would feel differently.

 

You promote Joe Brady and see what he can do as OC. You’re not changing up the offense this season, simply adding some new wrinkles and a different mind calling plays. 
 

if Joe Brady struggles, then we need to hire another OC.  

[Big Turk]

Can we have an official "Stop starting idiotic threads" thread?  

 

There isn't anything close to something firable at this point. 

 

Annoying at times? Yes.

 

Firable?

 

 

C'MON MAN!

Edited October 16, 2023 by Big Turk

[LyndonvilleBill]

2 minutes ago, VaMilBill said:

You promote Joe Brady and see what he can do as OC. You’re not changing up the offense this season, simply adding some new wrinkles and a different mind calling plays. 
 

if Joe Brady struggles, then we need to hire another OC.  

I wish McD could just bench him for a game or two like he does when someone fumbles a ball. Put Brady in for a game or two and see what happens. 😁

[HoofHearted]

10 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Yeah no trust me bro doesn’t work. 
 

back your claim that Allen is going off script. Where is the hold package Mr progressional. Ooo wait others also do this a long time professionally. 
 

Heck everyone makes educated guesses in every profession. That is much different than your claim. 

I have. You refuse to listen. I've also said it's not "off-script". When he is seeing man coverage he's just picking the match-up he likes best. This has been Diggs the vast majority of times this year. It's no different than taking "the gift" in 3x1 sets. If the defense is playing off to the single side you can ignore the concept progression and throw the 5 yard stop since they're just giving it to you.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He locked on Diggs. Only 3 in the route. 
 

 

 

doesn’t it look like he’s loading up for Gabe a little bit then decides not to? 

[GoBills808]

37 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Two weeks in a row now the opposing team hit lofting the ball to an outside go with. Db draped all over him before safety help gets there. 
 

T-Law hit one to Ridley then Tyrod hit one on each sideline. Why is that not is the Bill arsenal?

 

30 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

The Bills rarely run man coverage, I think the two Tryhard hit were not man, but was definitely cover2 safeties 
 

 

I think the one to Ridley vs Jags was man tho if we are thinking of the same one, third and 4 the brought pressure and man across the board

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

I have. You refuse to listen. I've also said it's not "off-script". When he is seeing man coverage he's just picking the match-up he likes best. This has been Diggs the vast majority of times this year. It's no different than taking "the gift" in 3x1 sets. If the defense is playing off to the single side you can ignore the concept progression and throw the 5 yard stop since they're just giving it to you.

So again you have proof Dorsey tell Josh hey in man coverage do whatever you want? Ignore the design of the route concepts 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

 

I think the one to Ridley vs Jags was man tho if we are thinking of the same one, third and 4 the brought pressure and man across the board

The one to Ridley was definitely man.  

And cover zero

[hondo in seattle]

I'm not a Dorsey fan but if we fire him midseason, I'm afraid the alternative will be no better and possibly worse.  

 

I'm not opposed to McD checking out who's available after the season, though.  

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

doesn’t it look like he’s loading up for Gabe a little bit then decides not to? 

If he was he should have let it fly. Gabe was open. 

[HoofHearted]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

So again you have proof Dorsey tell Josh hey in man coverage do whatever you want? Ignore the design of the route concepts 

It matters to me not if you wish to continue to be ignorant and uninformed...