The Official Fire Ken Dorsey Thread

[Process]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

This is a reason why I don’t hate on Dorsey.

 

 

 

Still shots are generally useless. The game is played way too fast to make any determination from them. Also this is one play.

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

This is a reason why I don’t hate on Dorsey.

 

 

 

I’m sure if you dissect every play, there will be 1-3 times a game where elite QBs don’t find the open guy.

 

I have first hand seen Mahomes not even look in the direction of wide open players

[Jauronimo]

10 hours ago, CLTbills said:

29 run plays. 2 were Josh Allen scrambles.

 

TWENTY-SEVEN called runs. 

 

When you have Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs.

And the run game was the only part of the offense that worked.  Did you need to see more of Josh throwing into double and triple coverage trying to find Stef?

[Shortchaz]

It seems like the shotgun runs used to have the added threat of josh running it (qb option/RPO) but they’ve eliminated that and kept the straight handoff which only works with the other components. Running out of shotgun is a gimmick/gimmicky play and only works as such. 

[Matt_In_NH]

10 hours ago, CLTbills said:

29 run plays. 2 were Josh Allen scrambles.

 

TWENTY-SEVEN called runs. 

 

When you have Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs.

You play the matchup.   They invited the bills to run and frankly if they had stuck to it earlier the game would not have come down to the last play.  SB25 was similar….take what they are giving you and when you finally make them adjust you can go the other way.  The chiefs will run it like this when the game dictates that.   Why is it ok for them but not the bills?   

[Nuncha]

33 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I give him credit for the halftime adjustment, but man I do not love him as an OC. 

He adjusts as slow as Christmas.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 minute ago, Nuncha said:

He adjusts as slow as Christmas.

Agreed with that too. 

[GreggTX]

His play calling is highly suspect. Defenses seem to know what he's going to do. Someone else needs to call plays -- someone that can adjust more quickly.

[HappyDays]

6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

To these points..........I find it hard to believe that Dorsey,  who won a National Championship in college playing under center,  is the one totally behind all this shotgun bull####.

 

I think Allen must not be comfortable turning his back to the defense and is driving this remnant of Brian Douchebolls failures.

 

But under center is where he belongs.    He's not going to be Patrick Mahomes out there distributing dimes off-platform to 9 different receivers.   He needs the rhythm, timing and footwork that playing under center provides to elevate his game.    It's not a knock on him.......Tom Brady made a living doing it and he's the GOAT.    Getting under center largely negates the impact of the exotic fronts and that's why they are plowing thru them on the ground and receivers are coming open when they use it.   

 

I think the problem is we don't have the personnel to play a rhythm offense and that's what you need under center. Diggs gets open in rhythm, the other guys do not.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

2 hours ago, Trogdor said:

It's not a good throw. 5% Knox is some serious hyperbole though. The dude has 50/50 hands and is seriously overrated based solely on his friendship with Josh. If anything that's on Dorsey for dialing up a play to him when you can't afford a drop. 

Thats Knox THIS year, who’s dealt with a quad injury and a wrist injury (he was in a cast all week and limited participation in practice). 
 

I think if Kincaid was cleared, Dawson would have sat. 
 

Allen did straight up throw some bad passes to Knox last night. 

Edited October 16, 2023 by TheyCallMeAndy

[Buffalo_Stampede]

23 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I’m sure if you dissect every play, there will be 1-3 times a game where elite QBs don’t find the open guy.

 

I have first hand seen Mahomes not even look in the direction of wide open players

Yes, but that’s because they’re using progressions and the read they made was likely correct. In this case the throw is to Diggs covered by 3 Giants.

 

So I’m going to guess Josh Allen will get a negative grade on this play by the coaching staff.

[Bangarang]

12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think the problem is we don't have the personnel to play a rhythm offense and that's what you need under center. Diggs gets open in rhythm, the other guys do not.

That’s when scheme and play design matter a lot. You simply can’t expect the Hartys, Sherfields, and Shakirs of the world to consistently beat their guys and get open. 
 

Scheming things is not a strength of Dorsey. 

Edited October 16, 2023 by Bangarang

[BananaB]

39 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

This is a reason why I don’t hate on Dorsey.

 

 

 

People do realize the format of his progressions and what’s going on in the pocket affects what he sees and when he’s gonna throw the ball

Edited October 16, 2023 by BananaB

[BillsFan130]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Yes, but that’s because they’re using progressions and the read they made was likely correct. In this case the throw is to Diggs covered by 3 Giants.

 

So I’m going to guess Josh Allen will get a negative grade on this play by the coaching staff.

It was a bad play by the looks of it, sure.

 

My point is all great QBs have bad plays every single game 

[26TrapDraw]

11 hours ago, Rigotz said:

Are we really proposing firing the offensive coordinator mid-season at 4-2 with a top offense?

 

You think throwing a brand new guy in there mid-season will go smoothly?

 

man…

Dude he is so predictable. Who on the planet didn’t know that play action slant was  going to Diggs. Why? Because he runs the same plays over and over. This is not high school football. Nfl DC’s are eating his lunch. No creativity no diversity. They couldn’t run a screen to save their lives (and with Cook who would thrive in space for the life of me can’t figure that one out). This is a top offense because of the players. It’s certainly not because of Dorsey’s stale repetitive garbage. 

Edited October 16, 2023 by 26TrapDraw

[HappyDays]

43 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

This is a reason why I don’t hate on Dorsey.

 

 

 

 

Here's another screenshot:

 

Defenses are doubling Diggs and no one else can get open against man coverage. The Giants secondary is pretty good but not that good. We just don't have the horses.

[Success]

Shotgun on the half yard line.

 

I repeat:  shotgun on the half yard line.

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, Success said:

Shotgun on the half yard line.

 

I repeat:  shotgun on the half yard line.

 

Nothing new. We’ve been doing it since 2018.

Edited October 16, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[JGMcD2]

11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Here's another screenshot:

 

Defenses are doubling Diggs and no one else can get open against man coverage. The Giants secondary is pretty good but not that good. We just don't have the horses.

Diggs was actually open there after Josh scrambled. He wasn’t Miami Dolphins open, but he was open, Josh just overthrew him. 

[BADOLBILZ]

40 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think the problem is we don't have the personnel to play a rhythm offense and that's what you need under center. Diggs gets open in rhythm, the other guys do not.

 

True......they aren't going to run a WCO rhythm passing game with bad hands Gabe running slants......but they don't have the right personnel at receiver to run 11 or spread out of shotgun either.........especially when it makes Allen himself less efficient throwing the ball.

 

But when they play 12 or put a 6th OL in and force the defense to contract it creates space for Diggs and Davis that flooding the field with receivers who can't get open(and rendering the RB useless) in shotgun does not.    

 

 

 

Edited October 16, 2023 by BADOLBILZ