Giants @ Bills Postgame thread

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

I can't imagine the players seeing that ambulance and not suffering PTSD. 

I thought he meant 3 STD's

[syhuang]

 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, RiotAct said:

yep. When he wanted to. Which was like… once a game on average for us.  Lol

It's not a high probability pass in the NFL

 

And we all know tyrod Taylor is not much of a risk taker... He's pretty conservative

 

So yeah he would only thrown it a few times a game... But he had very good touch on it here 

[Matt_In_NH]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Where he struggles... Was where he struggled again yesterday... Can't punch it in in the redzone...

 

Oh man, that is what last night reminded me of....the guy could not finish...could never make the play to win the game....it happened again last night.  A little too close for my liking but it was Tyrodesque

[That's No Moon]

3 minutes ago, Best Williams Available said:

https://x.com/nickveronica/status/1713769475286122648?s=46&t=HVk4dpSAfBevaXE17rCx3A
 

interesting

Winning in spite of themselves.

[RiotAct]

2 minutes ago, syhuang said:

 

uh oh.

[billsfan89]

13 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

uh oh.

 

Got to think he is trying to get the Pats to waste some time preparing for Kyle Allen when in reality he knows Josh is going to play. That's my optimistic take. 

[transplantbillsfan]

13 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

uh oh.

 

You watched the whole game, right? He's fine.

[Warcodered]

25 minutes ago, Best Williams Available said:

https://x.com/nickveronica/status/1713769475286122648?s=46&t=HVk4dpSAfBevaXE17rCx3A
 

interesting

23 minutes ago, syhuang said:

 

Yeah Josh maybe won't play McDermott.....

[WideNine]

12 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Got to think he is trying to get the Pats to waste some time preparing for Kyle Allen when in reality he knows Josh is going to play. That's my optimistic take. 

 

So... preparing to stop the run?

 

 

[newcam2012]

43 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

It took Marty S 10 seasons to win 4 playoff games. 10 SEASONS! He didn’t string together two playoff wins until his 10th season. Andy Reid only did it three times in 14 seasons in Philadelphia and it took him 6 before he did it in Kansas City.

 

So your guys are Andy Reid (Mahomes era) and Bill Belichick (who McDermott stomped in their one playoff matchup)… McVay or Shanahan (please don’t forget his role in the Falcons Super Bowl implosion) ?

 

I have a hard time including Zac Taylor. Not touching John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin or Matt LaFleur because I’m not convinced they’re able to elevate like you’re asking for. Who else? 

 

That’s what, 4 guys who have (objectively) been able to do it do it better than Sean? The likelihood of finding them is slim, that’s why those guys usually stick in once place for a long time. 

 

The only guy who may become available is Belichick and he’d want to control the entire show… which isn’t going too well right now. Reid and Shanahan will be there as long as they’d like and McVay will go from the Rams sideline to the booth. 

What first year coaching candidates are out there that can go and elevate this team? What about retreads? Who is out there that has shown the ability to get a team over the top? 

 

I get that and it comes with validity. However, others past don't really equate to what McD can, can't, and will do. It's all pure speculation with differing variables. 

 

Some important factors to consider. McD has Josh Allen in his prime. He arguably the top three QBs in the game. The other too QBs are Mahomes and Burrow. Low and behold they both have made SB appearances and one has multiple rings. Meanwhile, Allen has watched them at home while his current coach gives away games, had his team flat and unprepared. Losing is one thing giving games away, being out coached, not being prepared, etc...is just flat out unacceptable. The saving grace that really makes things less transparent is his regular season records. It's basically second to none and very impressive. Hard to let such a good thing go. 

 

However, sometimes it's prudent to move on to achieve a higher goal. Not an easy decision at all with McD. I'd say most fans are satisfied with his success even if his failures in the playoffs are obvious. In effect, he gets a free pass or at least the benefit of the doubt. A redo to get things right. It's much easier to stay the course here. 

 

I'd much prefer the Bills go in a different direction. I think the McD reign has played it's course. A great ride but it's time to trade in the reliable Camry for the innovative Tesla. Sure it's track record is more unknown then the Camry. 

 

I'd also note that Philly made a big move hiring a young innovative coach that paid huge dividends immediately. If nothing else it shows it can be done. 

 

This season looks quite a bit like the others. The Bills are a top 5 team in the AFC will a likelihood of making the playoffs. A likelihood of another disappointing playoff exit due to several variables which includes coaching and scheme. 

 

Lastly, I'd like to point out the change of regimes shouldn't be discouraged ir not considered. As long as Allen remains on the team a new coach basically just has to ride that horse. However, all horse bettors know the importance of a good to great jockey. Sometimes a jockey change is exactly what the horse needs. I'd say this analogy is 109% applicable here. 

 

[MasterStrategist]

32 minutes ago, Best Williams Available said:

https://x.com/nickveronica/status/1713769475286122648?s=46&t=HVk4dpSAfBevaXE17rCx3A
 

interesting

Add in 2 missed FGs and yeah it was a very improbable/ugly win. 

 

Looks the same in the record tho, so will take it.

 

Just need to get the offense fixed, asap.

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, FrenchConnection said:

Well, then the Chiefs are not contenders either.

 

The Chiefs are also definitely not playing as well this year as in years past either.

[Negan]

Guys I don't see this offense ever getting fixed with Dorsey calling the shots.

 

Truth hurts sometimes 😭

[Scott7975]

I'd like to know what was up with Bass.  McD passed on a 55 yard FG early with Bassomatic.  Bass proceeds to miss two of them later.  There was no wind in the game and we were home.

[Bockeye]

1 hour ago, Bruffalo said:

I don't know what's going on with the offense, but they really need to find some more identity other than "Screw, Diggs down there somewhere" or "First down, time for another shotgun draw run up the middle".  Allen feels like he's being held back.  We have half the number of Allen rushes as we did last season, and teams are adjusting to it. 

 

Dorsey is the most schizophrenic playcaller I might have ever seen.  Guy calls a fantastic game against Miami, and then also calls this slop. Dominating in the run during the first and then we just go away from it (and then go back to it, and surprise, it works) . I don't know what's going on there.  Be better. 

 

Allen doesn't seem to trust anybody but Diggs and it shows. It's too bad too.  I'm not a Shakir truther or anything, but Harty and Shakir had a single target and made big plays, partially because they had good matchups.  You'd like to see more of that. 

Very apt description Bruffalo. 
 

So many plays look broken and turn into backyard “just get open” scrambles. I admittedly don’t watch many other games, but is this the case with most teams - tons of improvising?

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

I'd like to know what was up with Bass.  McD passed on a 55 yard FG early with Bassomatic.  Bass proceeds to miss two of them later.  There was no wind in the game and we were home.

Bass is great but kickers have bad days ...

 

Always been more money inside 45.. then from 53+ where he has a slight habit of pushing the Ball ... Which he did twice 

 

He's out there kicking field goals well before the game... McDermott knows what his line is... Some games pregame, 53 yards he's 8 of 10 warmups..  hes dialed in

 

If he's only 5-10 then his range might be 52-53 yards for the day ... Sure he can kick it a lot further but his accuracy isn't dialed in

[TheyCallMeAndy]

13 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

I'd like to know what was up with Bass.  McD passed on a 55 yard FG early with Bassomatic.  Bass proceeds to miss two of them later.  There was no wind in the game and we were home.

50+ is a coin toss for any NFL kicker. 

[Low Positive]

4 minutes ago, Bockeye said:

Very apt description Bruffalo. 
 

So many plays look broken and turn into backyard “just get open” scrambles. I admittedly don’t watch many other games, but is this the case with most teams - tons of improvising?

No, because with most QBs if you take away what was called, the play is more or less over. That's what makes Allen and Mahomes special. They can keep a play alive even with everything breaks down. I do wish that the BIlls could get more of their "on-schedule" plays to work.

[Mango]

4 hours ago, freddyjj said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401131047

 

Tyreek in 2020 Season Super Bowl.  16 targets, 9 catches > 100 Yds and no TDs.  Chiefs won 31-20.

 

 

 

Yes, a game. My point is that it’s not a good week in and week out philosophy. 
 

Diggs already pushed some history in single season target numbers last year. Feeding one guy all the balls all the time isn’t a good offensive plan.

 

Worth noting that Tyreek only had 58 catches over 12 games in 2019. Which extrapolates to 77 catches over a 16 week season. The Chiefs offense didn’t revolve around getting Tyreek the ball on 51% of pass plays the way it seems like the Bills offense does at times.