Is a Healthy Von Miller an Option to Replace Milano?

[Peace Frog]

9 hours ago, st pete gogolak said:

Most of Von Miller’s career has been OLB in a 3 -4.  I understand that OLB in a 3 -  4 is apples and oranges to an OLB in a 4 - 3, or a 4 - 2 - 5.  Nevertheless, is it crazy to try a completely healthy  (big if) Von Miller in Milano’s spot?  It keeps Floyd, Groot and/or AJE on the field.  I’m sure he would be fine against the run and most likely a liability in pass coverage.  It would, however, be neat to move him around and put even more pressure on opposing QB, similar to how Dallas uses Parsons.  I’m guessing the answer is maybe five years ago but not at 34 after two knee surgeries.

[Richard Noggin]

8 hours ago, st pete gogolak said:

Don’t disagree with most of the comments to the thread. Just throwing some “out of the box” thinking.  One comment I do agree with is occasionally having him on the field with two DE’s.  One I disagree with is that the majority of his career has been as a 4 - 3 DE.  Didn’t Denver run a 3 - 4 for most of his time there?

 

Seriously, 4-3 DEs and 3-4 OLBs are essentially all just EDGE guys. 

 

Basically interchangeable positions at this point. Yes, Von Miller HAS, earlier in his career, backpedaled into zone drops from time to time. Got an INT in that SB against CAR innit? Maybe I'm confused on that specific result. But nonetheless, we can't confuse Matt Milano's role in McD's 2-LB defense with Von Miller's role, ever. It's just not sensical. 

[QLBillsFan]

3 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Which is why I suggest playing with 5 defense men - 2 DEs, 2 DTs and a NT.  It has been done before.

Hmm that’s great in WNY high school football.. 

[Dr.Sack]

No

[machine gun kelly]

14 hours ago, st pete gogolak said:

Most of Von Miller’s career has been OLB in a 3 -4.  I understand that OLB in a 3 -  4 is apples and oranges to an OLB in a 4 - 3, or a 4 - 2 - 5.  Nevertheless, is it crazy to try a completely healthy  (big if) Von Miller in Milano’s spot?  It keeps Floyd, Groot and/or AJE on the field.  I’m sure he would be fine against the run and most likely a liability in pass coverage.  It would, however, be neat to move him around and put even more pressure on opposing QB, similar to how Dallas uses Parsons.  I’m guessing the answer is maybe five years ago but not at 34 after two knee surgeries.

I encourage you to get Pat Kirwan’s book, “First, take your eye off the ball” and read it, as you evidently don’t understand football.  I’m seriously not picking on you, but a Wil LB is a completely different role than an Edge Rusher.  They have different jobs, and you’re not different than guys who think CB’s can play Safety and vise versa.  Those are different jobs as well.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

50 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

I encourage you to get Pat Kirwan’s book, “First, take your eye off the ball” and read it, as you evidently don’t understand football.  I’m seriously not picking on you, but a Wil LB is a completely different role than an Edge Rusher.  They have different jobs, and you’re not different than guys who think CB’s can play Safety and vise versa.  Those are different jobs as well.

You do know both Hyde and Poyer played corner? Also some other noname guys named Lott and Woodson played corner before moving to safety. 

[machine gun kelly]

9 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

You do know both Hyde and Poyer played corner? Also some other noname guys named Lott and Woodson played corner before moving to safety. 

Ethan, that is the exception, not the norm, and they had to learn usually safety as corners get slower with age, they convert to safety.  It doesn’t mean any corner can play Safety and the reverse.  They are different jobs with different responsibilities.  Ithink it was Aaron Williams who eventually converted, but took him time.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

8 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Ethan, that is the exception, not the norm, and they had to learn usually safety as corners get slower with age, they convert to safety.  It doesn’t mean any corner can play Safety and the reverse.  They are different jobs with different responsibilities.  Ithink it was Aaron Williams who eventually converted, but took him time.

Of course it is the exception. And of course they are different jobs. I didn’t say all CBs could play safety. But implying posters that think a CB can play safety don't know what they are talking about is not accurate and as shown factually untrue in notable cases.

 

[BigDingus]

I only opened this thread so I could click the laughing emoji, then type this comment.

 

We've all had silly ideas before, but this is another level of silly.

[BillsUberAlles]

I mean seriously?

 

Do you watch football?

 

How is a Defensive Edge Rusher going to replace a weak side LB?

 

Bills fans are often considered the smartest in football but when I read these forums it really makes me wonder at times.

Edited October 14, 2023 by BillsUberAlles

[brianb386]

16 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

who cares about Dolphins fans. Florida in general sucks

Can confirm 

[Drew21PA]

…what?

[TampaBillsJunkie]

The only way to do this is to go to a 5-1-5.  

 

DL- Miller-GRoot-Phillps-Oliver-Floyd

LB- Bernard

DB-Benford, Poyer, Hyde, (Rapp/Johnson) Jackson

This is one way to keep our best players on the field.  Stack the DL and have them set the edge.  Move Rapp in LB position to defend the run and take Milano's coverage responsibilities. I think we'd be susceptible to the run but we are anyways.  Phillips is our biggest DL so try to get him to clog the middle and let Von roam the DL and move around so they can't place where he is coming from and have him rush. 

Just an idea, it would change a lot of our current philosophy so it may be too late, but this is the time for McD to show us the genius Defensive coach he is supposed to be. 

 

Edited October 14, 2023 by TampaBillsJunkie

[mrags]

18 hours ago, Motorin' said:

Alternatively, I've wondered the same thing about Leonard Floyd. 

I’ve thought Floyd or even AJ would be a better fit. Even Lawson in possible running downs as he’s so good against the run. 

[NewEra]

19 hours ago, st pete gogolak said:

Most of Von Miller’s career has been OLB in a 3 -4.  I understand that OLB in a 3 -  4 is apples and oranges to an OLB in a 4 - 3, or a 4 - 2 - 5.  Nevertheless, is it crazy to try a completely healthy  (big if) Von Miller in Milano’s spot?  It keeps Floyd, Groot and/or AJE on the field.  I’m sure he would be fine against the run and most likely a liability in pass coverage.  It would, however, be neat to move him around and put even more pressure on opposing QB, similar to how Dallas uses Parsons.  I’m guessing the answer is maybe five years ago but not at 34 after two knee surgeries.

35 minutes ago, TampaBillsJunkie said:

The only way to do this is to go to a 5-1-5.  

 

DL- Miller-GRoot-Phillps-Oliver-Floyd

LB- Bernard

DB-Benford, Poyer, Hyde, Rapp, Jackson

This is one way to keep our best players on the field.  Stack the DL and have them set the edge.  Move Rapp in LB position to defend the run and take Milano's coverage responsibilities. I think we'd be susceptible to the run but we are anyways.  Phillips is our biggest DL so try to get him to clog the middle and let Von roam the DL and move around so they can't place where he is coming from and have him rush. 

Just an idea, it would change a lot of our current philosophy so it may be too late, but this is the time for McD to show us the genius Defensive coach he is supposed to be. 

 

Taking our best corner off the field = 💩 

[Just in Atlanta]

Why stop there

 

Plug him in at Corner to replace Tre

[stevewin]

Boogie Basham is an OLB now - maybe we could get him back for Harty and a 5th

[Billzgobowlin]

1 hour ago, Just in Atlanta said:

Why stop there

 

Plug him in at Corner to replace Tre

And 1 tech for Daquan at the same time

[st pete gogolak]

Everybody’s way too serious.  This thread was half-goof.  The point was the fact that depth at OLB is close to nonexistent but with Miller healthy and AJE emerging, we have an over abundance of talent at DE. Just wish there was a way to get our best 11 players on the field at the same time.

[BigAl2526]

He has a completely different skill set from Milano.  If you stick Miller in Milano's spot, you've got nobody to do many of the things you depend on Milano to do and you have to figure out how to compensate somewhere else.  I don't know that it's worth the effort to rework your defense so that it can function effectively with Miller in that outside linebacker spot.