st pete gogolak Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 Most of Von Miller’s career has been OLB in a 3 -4. I understand that OLB in a 3 - 4 is apples and oranges to an OLB in a 4 - 3, or a 4 - 2 - 5. Nevertheless, is it crazy to try a completely healthy (big if) Von Miller in Milano’s spot? It keeps Floyd, Groot and/or AJE on the field. I’m sure he would be fine against the run and most likely a liability in pass coverage. It would, however, be neat to move him around and put even more pressure on opposing QB, similar to how Dallas uses Parsons. I’m guessing the answer is maybe five years ago but not at 34 after two knee surgeries. 2 4 7 1 Quote
Warcodered Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 That's just for the number on his jersey, he plays edge rusher/DL, he doesn't play the same position as Milano. 2 3 Quote
Logic Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 If the question is "could he occasionally, situationally, once in a while, line up at OLB for special packages and rush the passer from that position?", I think the answer is "yes". If the question is "could he actually be a full time replacement for Matt Milano, taking on all the usual responsibilities of the position, including pass coverage, run stopping, etc", the answer is "certainly not. On the one hand, it would be asking a player to learn a completely new position, midseason, in his 13th year in the league. On the other hand, you'd be wasting the best skillset of an elite pass rusher by asking him to do other things". So...once in a while, as an exotic pass rush look? Yes. All the time, as an actual REPLACEMENT for Milano? No. 4 2 2 3 Quote
HoofHearted Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: Most of Von Miller’s career has been OLB in a 3 -4. I understand that OLB in a 3 - 4 is apples and oranges to an OLB in a 4 - 3, or a 4 - 2 - 5. Nevertheless, is it crazy to try a completely healthy (big if) Von Miller in Milano’s spot? It keeps Floyd, Groot and/or AJE on the field. I’m sure he would be fine against the run and most likely a liability in pass coverage. It would, however, be neat to move him around and put even more pressure on opposing QB, similar to how Dallas uses Parsons. I’m guessing the answer is maybe five years ago but not at 34 after two knee surgeries. Unequivocally no. 1 2 1 Quote
Motorin' Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 Alternatively, I've wondered the same thing about Leonard Floyd. 1 Quote
Fleezoid Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 I wouldn't want to take away Von's biggest threat.......Sacks! Quote
Rc2catch Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 6-2-3 defense… 6 down linemen 2 corners 3 safeties Hear me out… 🤔 6 3 Quote
Success Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 As others have stated - no. But, it could be a wash losing a big playmaker on D, and getting one back from injury. Maybe not a complete wash, but Von will be disruptive just as Milano was, only in a different way. The LB corps will be a question mark for awhile, and may be a weakness. We'll have to see how it goes w/ Williams and Klein. I'm excited to see Williams play & see how he develops. And, I'm still heartened by the fact that they have not ruled Milano out for the season. Quote
Warcodered Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: Someone has got to come in with the cheap shots and dirty plays though No need to worry Dolphins fans will invent someone else to blame just as easily as they did with Milano. Quote
That's No Moon Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 hour ago, st pete gogolak said: Most of Von Miller’s career has been OLB in a 3 -4. I understand that OLB in a 3 - 4 is apples and oranges to an OLB in a 4 - 3, or a 4 - 2 - 5. Nevertheless, is it crazy to try a completely healthy (big if) Von Miller in Milano’s spot? It keeps Floyd, Groot and/or AJE on the field. I’m sure he would be fine against the run and most likely a liability in pass coverage. It would, however, be neat to move him around and put even more pressure on opposing QB, similar to how Dallas uses Parsons. I’m guessing the answer is maybe five years ago but not at 34 after two knee surgeries. No. No he isn't. He never was and certainly not now. Quote
Prospector Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 I think we need to bring back Spencer Johnson for that role. 1 Quote
BillsVet Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 Getting their best pass rusher into coverage as the weakside LB? There should be tests for TSW members to continue posting. 3 minutes ago, Prospector said: I think we need to bring back Spencer Johnson for that role. More like Mario Williams. Spencer Johnson was the DT turned ROLB in that George Edwards 30 front they ran in 2011. Quote
Rigotz Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) I can see it now... Patrick Mahomes back to throw ... Von Miller in his backpedal ... Sees Travis Kelce sit down in the zone! SPRINTS TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FIELD!! FLIPS HIS HIPS AND STRETCHES OUT FOR THE INTERCEPTION!! RUNS IT BACK 95 YARDS TO THE HOUSE! NOBODY CAN CATCH HIM!!!! GIT ER DONE BEAN! Edited October 13, 2023 by Rigotz Quote
hondo in seattle Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 Milano excels in coverage and is also adept at finding his way through a crowd to a runner. Miller is very good at beating offensive linemen with his quickness, bend, and a variety of moves to get to a QB. Despite both being called 'linebackers' at some point in their careers, they have very different skill sets. Quote
st pete gogolak Posted October 13, 2023 Author Posted October 13, 2023 Don’t disagree with most of the comments to the thread. Just throwing some “out of the box” thinking. One comment I do agree with is occasionally having him on the field with two DE’s. One I disagree with is that the majority of his career has been as a 4 - 3 DE. Didn’t Denver run a 3 - 4 for most of his time there? Quote
Logic Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: Don’t disagree with most of the comments to the thread. Just throwing some “out of the box” thinking. One comment I do agree with is occasionally having him on the field with two DE’s. One I disagree with is that the majority of his career has been as a 4 - 3 DE. Didn’t Denver run a 3 - 4 for most of his time there? Yes, but the assignments, techniques, and responsibilities for a 3-4 OLB are universes apart from those of a 4-3 OLB. The assignments, techniques, and responsibilities for a 3-4 OLB are much closer to those of a 4-3 DE. In short, Von Miller has always been an Edge defender. He has NEVER been an off-ball linebacker. They are completely different positions. Even though Miller has gone by the title "outside linebacker" in the past, what he was doing bore little to no resemblance to what Matt Milano does in the Bills' defense. It would be no different than asking Joey Bosa or Myles Garrett to play Milano's position. It would be asking a player to learn a completely new position. A total "fish out of water" situation. It would not be reasonable whatsoever to ask Von Miller to do this. Only, as I mentioned, very occasionally and in very specific situations, should Von Miller ever be asked to line up anywhere other than the edge. Edited October 13, 2023 by Logic 1 Quote
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