Are the Pats tanking?

[jlgarsh]

BB the coach is fine, considering how bad the roster is. BB the GM should have been canned when Brady took the Bucs to a Super Bowl while the Pats missed the playoffs.

[MafiaMio]

On 10/12/2023 at 6:06 PM, Gugny said:

I don’t know, man. He had a top tier QB and assembled teams around him to help them become the greatest dynasty the NFL will ever see. 
 

We’ve had Josh Allen for six years. SIX. And nothing. 
 

I know Im “supposed” to hate Belichick, but I don’t. 
 

As awesome as Brady was, he didn’t win all of those games by himself. 
 

Belichick deserves credit for that. 

You're assuming Allen is on Brady's level. Sorry to say Josh Allen isn't Tom Brady tier. Maybe Mahomes is. 

Edited October 16, 2023 by MafiaMio

[NewEra]

11 hours ago, MJS said:

What has Belichick ever done besides show that he is an average coach without Tom Brady?

 

Even if he was a good coach, the game has passed him by. He is a fossil from a previous era of football.

He led a garbage team to the playoffs with a rookie QB.  That’s about it.  But he did accomplish that

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

On 10/12/2023 at 6:06 PM, Gugny said:

I don’t know, man. He had a top tier QB and assembled teams around him to help them become the greatest dynasty the NFL will ever see. 
 

We’ve had Josh Allen for six years. SIX. And nothing. 
 

I know Im “supposed” to hate Belichick, but I don’t. 
 

As awesome as Brady was, he didn’t win all of those games by himself. 
 

Belichick deserves credit for that. 

He also had a good/great offensive line pretty much every year…we have never had that 

[Saxum]

16 minutes ago, MafiaMio said:

You're assuming Allen is on Brady's level. Sorry to say Josh Allen isn't Tom Brady tier. Maybe Mahomes is. 

 

No one is on the GOAT cheater's level.

[MJS]

57 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He led a garbage team to the playoffs with a rookie QB.  That’s about it.  But he did accomplish that

With Macl Jones? Their team was better then, especially the defense.

[NewEra]

27 minutes ago, MJS said:

With Macl Jones? Their team was better then, especially the defense.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2021-snap-counts.htm
 

yes.  They had the #2 defense in the league……led by BB.  Look at the players on that D.  💩 

 

More to my point

[Success]

I'm not too keen on the Pats getting Maye or Williams - but they might.

 

Still, no guarantee either guy will be good in the pros.  Seems like lately, most of the hyped prospects have fallen short of expectations.

 

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

He also had a good/great offensive line pretty much every year…we have never had that 

That is squarely on Beane. 
 

Belichick did a great job building a round his top tier QB and it resulted in rings. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, Gugny said:

That is squarely on Beane. 
 

Belichick did a great job building a round his top tier QB and it resulted in rings. 

Oh yea I wouldn’t argue that…pass blocking still seems to be a huge issue.  The run blocking it appears he’s righted the ship on a bit though.  So disheartening because it seemed like we may have had it figured out…even against the jets they didn’t look that bad 

Edited October 16, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Doc]

36 minutes ago, Success said:

I'm not too keen on the Pats getting Maye or Williams - but they might.

 

Still, no guarantee either guy will be good in the pros.  Seems like lately, most of the hyped prospects have fallen short of expectations.

 

With Williams, I'm getting the same vibes that I got from Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield.

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

With Williams, I'm getting the same vibes that I got from Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield.

I think that Penix is going to be better than anyone in this draft, but that is probably a topic for a different thread.

[MJS]

42 minutes ago, NewEra said:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2021-snap-counts.htm
 

yes.  They had the #2 defense in the league……led by BB.  Look at the players on that D.  💩 

 

More to my point

That D had a lot more talent than it does now.

 

Belichick is a horrendous GM. He is a good defensive coordinator, though.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

11 minutes ago, Gugny said:

That is squarely on Beane. 
 

Belichick did a great job building a round his top tier QB and it resulted in rings. 

 

Maybe the year they got Moss.

 

But really, if you think about it, their wr corps was usually small guys and not household names. Edelman, Welker, etc.

 

Brady was the kind of QB who didn't NEED a Justin Jefferson/Stefon Diggs/whoever, but man when he had one in Moss, it was ridiculous.

 

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, MJS said:

That D had a lot more talent than it does now.

 

Belichick is a horrendous GM. He is a good defensive coordinator, though.

Yes, it had more talent than it does now.  That has nothing to do with him making the playoffs with that team and leading that defense to a #2 ranking.

 

He’s not a good defensive coordinator.  He’s one of greatest defensive minds in league history….if not the greatest.  You’re not giving him enough credit.

 

Yes, he’s a horrendous GM.  I agree 

[MJS]

47 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yes, it had more talent than it does now.  That has nothing to do with him making the playoffs with that team and leading that defense to a #2 ranking.

 

He’s not a good defensive coordinator.  He’s one of greatest defensive minds in league history….if not the greatest.  You’re not giving him enough credit.

 

Yes, he’s a horrendous GM.  I agree 

WAS one of the greatest. I don't think he is anymore.

[NewEra]

18 hours ago, MJS said:

What has Belichick ever done besides show that he is an average coach without Tom Brady?

 

32 minutes ago, MJS said:

WAS one of the greatest. I don't think he is anymore.

I mean….Jerry rice is the greatest WR of all time.  I don’t think he is anymore
 

you asked the bolded question.  What BB accomplished can’t be taken away.  He’s IS one of the greatest of all time.  
 

2 seasons ago, his defense consisting of average talent, led the team to the playoffs.  Maybe the game has passed him by in 21 and 22.  Maybe they just have no talent due to injury.  He held Miami's offense in check.

 

regardless- he will always be one of the greatest mind in league history.  Your question, what has he done without Brady is just lame.  
 

What did he do WITH Brady? He carried Brady’s 13 point offense to a Lombardi vs the rams as the D held the rams potent O to 3 points.  They had 4 sacks—-all on blitzes by LBs and CBs.  
 

He held the greatest show on turf to 17 points in giving Brady his first Lombardi. 
 

4 of their 6 titles, his defenses held the opponent to 24 or less and gave up an average of 18.6 ppg in those wins.  
 

As a DC, he held the Elway led broncos to 20 and the Kelly led Bills super offense to 19 en route to Super Bowls.

 

Is he currently one of the best coaches in the league? Maybe, maybe not.  Hard to tell due to ineptness as a GM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MafiaMio]

On 10/16/2023 at 9:40 AM, Limeaid said:

 

No one is on the GOAT cheater's level.

You know it's okay to admit that your rival qb owned you because he's the GOAT. We're all adults here not babies 

[without a drought]

It's probably 3D tanking, we wouldn't understand. 

[Saxum]

1 hour ago, MafiaMio said:

You know it's okay to admit that your rival qb owned you because he's the GOAT. We're all adults here not babies 

 

It is okay for you to admit you want to be his love slave.