Are the Pats tanking?

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, PaattMaann said:

 

its the interwebs, proper grammar has no place here ya nerd

 

he wouldn't have built a dynasty if it weren't for having Tom Brady

 

You are right that he was responsible for that dynasty, no doubt, but if you take Brady off that squad they are not a dynasty...that was my point, of which my articulation was poor.

Gotcha. 
 

I feel like when the question “was it Brady or Belichick” is asked, a lot of people feel like it has to be one or the other. 
 

It was both, IMO. 

 

Insert any coach/GM and sure … they’d probably manage to win one or two. 
 

But six?  They both deserve the majority of the credit. 

[Warcodered]

7 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Williams is already saying stuff like “If team x gets the pick, I’m going back to USC for another year”.  That’s his choice and with NIL the equation has changed but it is also a major red flag IMO and not a good reflection on leadership and work ethic.  

On the one hand I get that, on the other hand some teams have such terrible Ownership/FO that I can't really blame a guy not wanting to have to be saddled with dragging that anchor.

[PatsFanNH]

On 10/12/2023 at 11:27 AM, stuvian said:

Sorry but I'm just not buying into BB forgetting how to coach football. Handy loving, casino owning Kraft is not above anything either.

I can't rule out a well designed flop to set the table for mullet wearing, snot licking Hoodie junior.

No. The simple fact is the O is worse because the O line is actually either the worst in the NFL or the second worst in the NFL. Add in the Pats have average WR, and actually downgraded from Meyers to JuJu (whose knee seems shot).  So now even the run game stinks because the O line can’t block and the pass game stinks because the QB has the least amount of time to throw in the NFL. Also the last 2 games Jones has just regressed terribly! 
 

As for Kraft he hates losing! If this keeps up BB will be “retiring” before the season ends.

 

 

 

[dma0034]

Tank for Caleb Williams and re-resign Josh McDaniels when he gets fired from the Raiders. 

[PatsFanNH]

12 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

On the one hand I get that, on the other hand some teams have such terrible Ownership/FO that I can't really blame a guy not wanting to have to be saddled with dragging that anchor.

To stay on the subject thread.. if you were him NE wouldn’t be one of those teams. They won for over 20 years and Kraft is still considered one of the top owners.  Heck even if people were right and it was all Brady.. wouldn’t your ego as a QB say you could do it too?

[4merper4mer]

23 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

On the one hand I get that, on the other hand some teams have such terrible Ownership/FO that I can't really blame a guy not wanting to have to be saddled with dragging that anchor.

I understand but there is no law against keeping his mouth shut and simply going back to school.  Why make a public pronouncement?

[Doc]

9 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

No. The simple fact is the O is worse because the O line is actually either the worst in the NFL or the second worst in the NFL. Add in the Pats have average WR, and actually downgraded from Meyers to JuJu (whose knee seems shot).  So now even the run game stinks because the O line can’t block and the pass game stinks because the QB has the least amount of time to throw in the NFL. Also the last 2 games Jones has just regressed terribly! 
 

As for Kraft he hates losing! If this keeps up BB will be “retiring” before the season ends.

 

I can't see him retiring.  I think he'll force Kraft to fire him.

 

8 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

Tank for Caleb Williams and re-resign Josh McDaniels when he gets fired from the Raiders. 

 

The Cheaters aren't one of the 5 teams he said he'd come out next year for.  Maybe Drake Maye.  But they probably won't be in position to get either since I doubt they'll lose enough to be one of the top-2 teams.

[PatsFanNH]

Just now, Doc said:

 

I can't see him retiring.  I think he'll force Kraft to fire him.

 

 

The Cheaters aren't one of the 5 teams he said he'd come out next year for.  Maybe Drake Maye.  But they probably won't be in position to get either since I doubt they'll lose enough to be one of the top-2 teams.

lol I would love to agree with you but the SAINTS bet my team 34-0.. the SAINTS!! Ugh I can’t see a lay up win out there with the Pats current O

[Doc]

Just now, PatsFanNH said:

lol I would love to agree with you but the SAINTS bet my team 34-0.. the SAINTS!! Ugh I can’t see a lay up win out there with the Pats current O

 

You'll know whether they're tanking if they lose to the Jets.

 

And there will probably be several 1 win teams.  The Cheaters will have the strongest SOS out of all of them, which means picking last out of all of them.

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

To stay on the subject thread.. if you were him NE wouldn’t be one of those teams. They won for over 20 years and Kraft is still considered one of the top owners.  Heck even if people were right and it was all Brady.. wouldn’t your ego as a QB say you could do it too?

Someone said they wouldn't be surprised because of how bad the offense has been, I don't know about that, because of the Patriots history they probably get a pass. On the other hand, besides Belichick who has seemingly slid off into becoming a rather awful GM the Patriots haven't exactly had much in the way of success. So as far as ownership he's really only gotten it right once. Then he just didn't get in the way, which really shouldn't be as high a bar as it is, but I guess we'll see soon if he can find a replacement.

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

I feel like when the question “was it Brady or Belichick” is asked, a lot of people feel like it has to be one or the other. 
 

It was both, IMO. 

 

Insert any coach/GM and sure … they’d probably manage to win one or two. 
 

But six?  They both deserve the majority of the credit. 

 

Well, when one of the two never had any success until the other arrived, even with essentially the same team othewise, then upon the departure of that other who goes on to do more of the same at an age considered ancient by NFL standards, and in setting records in that way, while the one reverts back to his ways pre when the other showe up, that also makes its own statement.  

 

The Pats' offense on Brady's watch was more Brady's than it was any of the OC's that they've had, which explains why they've all sucked elsewhere too, often repeatedly.  

 

 

[PatsFanNH]

25 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Someone said they wouldn't be surprised because of how bad the offense has been, I don't know about that, because of the Patriots history they probably get a pass. On the other hand, besides Belichick who has seemingly slid off into becoming a rather awful GM the Patriots haven't exactly had much in the way of success. So as far as ownership he's really only gotten it right once. Then he just didn't get in the way, which really shouldn't be as high a bar as it is, but I guess we'll see soon if he can find a replacement.

Since Kraft became owner:

 

Parcells — Left because he couldn’t “buy the groceries” but they went to 1 SB

 

Pete Carroll — who wasnt’t ready yet be an NFL HC and Kraft still learning.

 

BB — well we know this one.

 

You said only got it right once, I say all 3 were good hires, I think Carroll was hurt by his inexperience as well as Krafts inexperience as an owner. 

mom not worried about the next HC, I am worried  about the next GM he has to choose as he has not gotten that one right on it own yet. (Watch he hires Jim Harbaugh and gives him BB type control lol)

 

[PatsFanNH]

40 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

You'll know whether they're tanking if they lose to the Jets.

 

And there will probably be several 1 win teams.  The Cheaters will have the strongest SOS out of all of them, which means picking last out of all of them.

I don’t think they are tanking on purpose. But the loss of so many CB and Judon and the D is average now, while the O is an awful mess..  right now they have the 5th pick and Chicago has the top 2 picks and the Pats face Denver and Minnesota will definitely win a few games. So I can see them having a top 3 pick if they win just 1 more game..

[Albany,n.y.]

On 10/12/2023 at 11:27 AM, stuvian said:

Sorry but I'm just not buying into BB forgetting how to coach football. Handy loving, casino owning Kraft is not above anything either.

I can't rule out a well designed flop to set the table for mullet wearing, snot licking Hoodie junior.

Jerod Mayo is the next Patriots coach, not junior.  

[buffaloboyinATL]

On 10/12/2023 at 11:27 AM, stuvian said:

Sorry but I'm just not buying into BB forgetting how to coach football. Handy loving, casino owning Kraft is not above anything either.

I can't rule out a well designed flop to set the table for mullet wearing, snot licking Hoodie junior.

Maybe this is his last year, and his parting gift to Kraft is a top 5 pick, to get a new QB. If Belicheck has a bad season, the fans won't be able to B word about him not being fired, because he has earned patience. If a new head coach had a season like this, the fans would push heavily for them to be fired.

 

 

[Saxum]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

As for Kraft he hates losing! If this keeps up BB will be “retiring” before the season ends.

 

More likely promoted to front office.

[Special K]

I believe the game has changed so much on offense that  Bellichek’s defensive schemes could not keep up.

 

Maybe the game has passed him by, so to speak. The best evidence of this was two years ago when Josh Allen dismantled the Pats D in the playoffs. BB actually came over  to the Bills locker room after the game to congratulate Allen...which I found unusual at the time, but now look back on it as his way of saying his D isn’t cut out to stop today’s QB’s like Allen and Mahomes....I think he’s just hanging on at this point to set the all time wins mark for a coach, and then he will retire, IMO.

Edited October 13, 2023 by Special K

[Gugny]

3 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

Well, when one of the two never had any success until the other arrived, even with essentially the same team othewise, then upon the departure of that other who goes on to do more of the same at an age considered ancient by NFL standards, and in setting records in that way, while the one reverts back to his ways pre when the other showe up, that also makes its own statement.  

 

The Pats' offense on Brady's watch was more Brady's than it was any of the OC's that they've had, which explains why they've all sucked elsewhere too, often repeatedly.  

 

 

The Patriots were never the same team year-to-year. 
 

That’s why BB deserves credit as a GM. 

 

He knew which castoffs and vets to acquire at the right time. And - more importantly - he knew when to get rid of them. 
 

I get that most Bills fans hate to hear it … but he’s a better GM than the Bills have ever had and he’s a better HC than anyone has ever had. 
 

Period. 

[Warcodered]

 

[PBF81]

5 hours ago, Gugny said:

The Patriots were never the same team year-to-year. 
 

That’s why BB deserves credit as a GM. 

 

He knew which castoffs and vets to acquire at the right time. And - more importantly - he knew when to get rid of them. 
 

I get that most Bills fans hate to hear it … but he’s a better GM than the Bills have ever had and he’s a better HC than anyone has ever had. 
 

Period. 

 

His defenses got worse over time and he's supposed to be a defensive guru. 

 

They won very few playoff games because of their defense after Brady's early seasons.