Are the Pats tanking?

[billsfan89]

2 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

I might be one of the few people who think Caleb Williams isn’t a generational prospect. He’s a bigger Kyler Murray. 
 

I get him being # 1 since Murray went 1 but I see him being a good NFL QB. I know a lot will disagree 

 

If Kyler Murray was 3 inches taller and had a better work ethic he would be a top 5-7 QB in the league. So a bigger Kyler Murray with a better work ethic is still a dam fine prospect. 

[The Frankish Reich]

They're so bad on offense that even if they get the first pick I wouldn't be surprised if Caleb pulled an Eli and refused to play for them. He could always stay at USC one more year. And that's how much things have changed in Foxborough.

[Saxum]

3 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

1OA Qbs since 1990.

How many are tank-worthy?

 

(S)Tanking is not just for QBs.  If you have been just missing playoffs or just getting in QBs and being knocked out you are picking late every round.

A team which knows it is tanking can trade players for picks in following year and then combine those picks with early round picks to pick even earlier.

[78thealltimegreat]

The one factor against this is Bill is now in his 70s he doesn’t want to rebuild he can land Caleb Williams all he wants but simple fact is as long as 17 is a Bill he won’t even have the best QB in the division 

[BillsShredder83]

5 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I don't think BB has it in him to tank. They are just a bad team that bad personal decisions have finally caught up to them 

not to mention hes the last coach that would benefit from a tank. tank would start to maybe show benefits in what 2-3years? in 2-3years he'll be in thailand slurping down adrenochrome by the glassful and worshipping moloch, or whatever he does in his free time

[machine gun kelly]

He’s too arrogant to tank.  He just coaches likes 1989 football with the run game, TE’s over the middle and defense.  I actually want to see them win at least 7 games as long as it’s not us.  Perpetually 8-9, never bad enough for a franchise QB, and never good enough for the playoffs.  Belicheck ending with 6-7 years of mediocrity.

[Gugny]

6 hours ago, PaattMaann said:

No they just suck because BB isnt a good GM and his talent is depleted, especially on offense.

 

Tom Brady made BB. BB is a good defensive coordinator, bad at everything else. 

I don’t know, man. He had a top tier QB and assembled teams around him to help them become the greatest dynasty the NFL will ever see. 
 

We’ve had Josh Allen for six years. SIX. And nothing. 
 

I know Im “supposed” to hate Belichick, but I don’t. 
 

As awesome as Brady was, he didn’t win all of those games by himself. 
 

Belichick deserves credit for that. 

[Thurman#1]

9 hours ago, Fleezoid said:

Not buying he's tanking. This is exactly Bill Belichick coaching abilities outside of Brady. I'll give him the HOF simply due to the number of Super Bowls, but GOAT?? No freaking way. 

 

 

This isn't on Bill Belichick the coach, IMO. Or at least not primarily. It's on Bill Belichick the GM. He used to be a really really good GM. He's just not anymore. At his age he doesn't have the juice to do both. 

 

That roster mostly just sucks.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

9 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

Not on purpose, but the nightmare scenario as a Bills fan is Caleb Williams in Foxbourgh.

It will never happen. 

[Mikie2times]

Bill had been dating Linda Holliday since 2007. They recently broke up. Bill seems like a bit of a abnormal introverted personality. Perhaps that situation has impacted him a little more than what one would think? I have no earthly clue. Just speculating. As others have pointed out the roster is trash.

 

He is 100% not tanking. Not with the record in site and his age not doing him any favors. 

[Dr.Sack]

Belichick is a crappy HC without the GOAT level QB. 

[DCofNC]

10 hours ago, PaattMaann said:

No they just suck because BB isnt a good GM and his talent is depleted, especially on offense.

 

Tom Brady made BB. 

Fixed your run on for you.

 

He built a dynasty, his systems crushed the NFL for years, his decisions as GM have ultimately crushed their chances of winning again.

[The Jokeman]

10 hours ago, stuvian said:

Sorry but I'm just not buying into BB forgetting how to coach football. Handy loving, casino owning Kraft is not above anything either.

I can't rule out a well designed flop to set the table for mullet wearing, snot licking Hoodie junior.

You know I had a similar thought this morning. 

[Mr. WEO]

10 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

No, Belichick is just a terrible GM. 

he could never build a winner

[Saxum]

6 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Belichick is a crappy HC without the GOAT level QB. 

 

He is a crappy coach because Ernie Adams is no longer directory of cheats, spying and intelligence.

He used to get film on each zebra and tailor notes on what each zebra would call flags on.

[4merper4mer]

13 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

If Kyler Murray was 3 inches taller and had a better work ethic he would be a top 5-7 QB in the league. So a bigger Kyler Murray with a better work ethic is still a dam fine prospect. 

Williams is already saying stuff like “If team x gets the pick, I’m going back to USC for another year”.  That’s his choice and with NIL the equation has changed but it is also a major red flag IMO and not a good reflection on leadership and work ethic.  

[RunTheBall]

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

He is a crappy coach because Ernie Adams is no longer directory of cheats, spying and intelligence.

He used to get film on each zebra and tailor notes on what each zebra would call flags on.

Pats* have always been cheating bastards but that example is just great gameplanning 

[benderbender]

15 hours ago, Gugny said:

I don’t know, man. He had a top tier QB and assembled teams around him to help them become the greatest dynasty the NFL will ever see. 

We’ve had Josh Allen for six years. SIX. And nothing. 

I know I'm “supposed” to hate Belichick, but I don’t. 

As awesome as Brady was, he didn’t win all of those games by himself. 

Belichick deserves credit for that. 

Sorry. He's had his flowers for decades. You're free to ignore all the cheating, but to get defensive when he finally isn't getting the benefit of the doubt is weird. Why isn't his tanking for Williams or Harrison Jr seen as yet another "it's only against the rules if you get caught" out of the box stratagem from the grumpy genius? Why has the narrative changed? Is it because Andy Reid is harder to hate because he's friendly, and loves chicky nuggies?

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

22 hours ago, uninja said:

BB has 299 wins and needs 20 more to beat the record. He's gunning for it and you better believe it.

 

at his pace, he’s gonna need likely three more seasons after this one to break that record. He won’t have the opportunity to do it as a patriot if they’re playing that poorly.

 

Caleb Williams may be his best Hope to turn things around quickly.

22 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

Not on purpose, but the nightmare scenario as a Bills fan is Caleb Williams in Foxbourgh.

dude, hast to end up in the NFC. Period.  it’s ridiculous The quarterback disparity between the two conferences currently.

[PaattMaann]

12 hours ago, DCofNC said:

Fixed your run on for you.

 

He built a dynasty, his systems crushed the NFL for years, his decisions as GM have ultimately crushed their chances of winning again.

 

its the interwebs, proper grammar has no place here ya nerd

 

he wouldn't have built a dynasty if it weren't for having Tom Brady

17 hours ago, Gugny said:

I don’t know, man. He had a top tier QB and assembled teams around him to help them become the greatest dynasty the NFL will ever see. 
 

We’ve had Josh Allen for six years. SIX. And nothing. 
 

I know Im “supposed” to hate Belichick, but I don’t. 
 

As awesome as Brady was, he didn’t win all of those games by himself. 
 

Belichick deserves credit for that. 

 

You are right that he was responsible for that dynasty, no doubt, but if you take Brady off that squad they are not a dynasty...that was my point, of which my articulation was poor.