Zack Moss quietly having a very nice season so far

[Chicken Boo]

  On 10/11/2023 at 3:06 AM, FrenchConnection said:

Do you people really want to hand the ball off to a RB 30 times a game? Cause that’s what the Colts are doing.

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So are the 49ers, Eagles (counting Hurts runs) and the Lions. 

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[Low Positive]

  On 10/11/2023 at 3:12 AM, Chicken Boo said:

 

So are the 49ers, Eagles (counting Hurts runs) and the Lions. 

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So trade Josh for a RB and get a point guard at QB? 

[Dukestreetking]

I'm honestly not sure how to assess Moss.

 

On such issues, I've decided on my strategy going forward: wait until @HoofHearted weighs in, then agree with everything he says.

[Buffalo03]

  On 10/10/2023 at 9:58 PM, Gugny said:

Good. He was misused, underutilized and inexplicably benched during his tenure in Buffalo. 
 

The disconnect between Beane and the coaches has been an issue. 
 

I hope Moss kicks ass. 

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It wasn't inexplicable. He seemed lazy and barely did anything when he was on the field. I have no issue with us parting ways with him

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[Chicken Boo]

  On 10/11/2023 at 3:21 AM, FrenchConnection said:

So trade Josh for a RB and get a point guard at QB? 

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Do Goff, Hurts and Purdy not throw the football?  Do Amon Ra, AJ Bown and Deebo Samuel not put up healthy stats?  

[John from Riverside]

I’m happy for him, but I’m glad he’s gone

[stuvian]

Now that Taylor is back expect those to be career bests for Moss

[bmur66]

Moss must have figured out how to run with his eyes open.

[What a Tuel]

  On 10/10/2023 at 10:32 PM, Gugny said:

Singletary was top 5 in the league for YPC while he was a Bill. 
 

Similarly to Moss, they didn’t feed him. 
 

His YPC were better than Derrick Henry’s. 
 

The brain trust landed on giving him 12 carries/game as the master plan. 
 

Again, I say - the disconnect between Beane and the coaches is clear. 

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Except we won a lot of games so what is the problem? The goal is to win games, not make sure our RBs get a lot of yards.

[Ramza86]

Talent wise...just above average...but hes runnin HARD. Hes def made the best of his opportunity. 

 

Good for him.

[Warriorspikes51]

  On 10/11/2023 at 3:12 AM, Chicken Boo said:

 

So are the 49ers, Eagles (counting Hurts runs) and the Lions. 

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Those teams all have dynamic playmakers at RB 

[Shemp]

Moss kept getting hurt here so he had no continuity. The duo of Singletary/Moss was among the smallest in football. The coaches abandoned the running game early in games because of the lack of production. But if you only run 15 times a game, was the Bills braintrust giving it enough of a chance? Chicken or egg? I don't know. Now the Bills seem to have a versatile threesome of three different types of runners. I like that but still no reliable bell cow.

[Gugny]

  On 10/11/2023 at 1:41 PM, What a Tuel said:

 

Except we won a lot of games so what is the problem? The goal is to win games, not make sure our RBs get a lot of yards.

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I agree 100% … which is why criticizing Singletary and Moss is silly. 

[BarleyNY]

  On 10/11/2023 at 1:52 PM, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Those teams all have dynamic playmakers at RB 

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McCaffery, yes. He is special. But neither Swift nor Montgomery is a particularly special talent. Both are having very good seasons and work well within their respective offenses, but are not special talents. 

[Chicken Boo]

  On 10/11/2023 at 1:52 PM, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Those teams all have dynamic playmakers at RB 

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More importantly, they have coaching staffs that prioritize running the ball well. 

 

Part of that is having the horse to do it.

[Chicken Boo]

  On 10/11/2023 at 2:46 PM, BarleyNY said:

 

McCaffery, yes. He is special. But neither Swift nor Montgomery is a particularly special talent. Both are having very good seasons and work well within their respective offenses, but are not special talents. 

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You don't have to be Hall of Fame level to be dynamic or impactful.  It just so happens that CMC is Hall of Fame caliber.

 

Swift is an all purpose guy that can also run between the tackles and Montgomery is perfect for what Dan Campbell is trying to accomplish.  They fit in the schemes their teams are running.  That's more important than anything.

 

The Bills, to me, don't have an identity on offense outside of Allen to Diggs.  Ken Dorsey sucks, so it doesn't matter who's carrying the ball here. 

 

*On a side note, it is my opinion that Beane really wanted Montgomery in the draft, but the Bears pounced first and we ended up settling for Singletary.

[Logic]

  On 10/10/2023 at 11:42 PM, NoSaint said:

yea, ultimately both these guys are below average backs but serviceable nfl contributors. It’s like lamenting that fitz or tyrod didn’t get a fair shake. 

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I'm not trying to say that Zack Moss is great, or even above average, but....he's averaging 5.0 yards per carry and 111 yards per game this season.

He just had a 165 yard, 2 TD game where he averaged 7.2 yards per carry.

If that's "below average" and "serviceable", then get me a few more below average, serviceable running backs on this Bills roster, please.

[BarleyNY]

  On 10/11/2023 at 2:56 PM, Chicken Boo said:

 

You don't have to be Hall of Fame level to be dynamic or impactful.  It just so happens that CMC is Hall of Fame caliber.

 

Swift is an all purpose guy that can also run between the tackles and Montgomery is perfect for what Dan Campbell is trying to accomplish.  They fit in the schemes their teams are running.  That's more important than anything.

 

The Bills, to me, don't have an identity on offense outside of Allen to Diggs.  Ken Dorsey sucks, so it doesn't matter who's carrying the ball here. 

 

*On a side note, it is my opinion that Beane really wanted Montgomery in the draft, but the Bears pounced first and we ended up settling for Singletary.

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I agree with all of that. My point was precisely the same as yours. It’s worth noting that no one seemed to have a good read on the Iggles RB situation coming into the season. Swift has emerged, but he was not considered ahead of the other 3 RBs during the preseason. 

 

Interesting thought on the draft. 

[NoSaint]

  On 10/11/2023 at 3:40 PM, Logic said:

I'm not trying to say that Zack Moss is great, or even above average, but....he's averaging 5.0 yards per carry and 111 yards per game this season.

He just had a 165 yard, 2 TD game where he averaged 7.2 yards per carry.

If that's "below average" and "serviceable", then get me a few more below average, serviceable running backs on this Bills roster, please.

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Tyrod or fitz never produced stats like top 16 players for a couple weeks, right?

 

singletary is already a clear 2, not even in a committee. 
 

Its possible this is now the new normal for Zack moss but it’s be a surprise if he strings it together for seasons instead of being a pop that regresses to the mean 

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[Chicken Boo]

  On 10/11/2023 at 3:55 PM, BarleyNY said:

 

I agree with all of that. My point was precisely the same as yours. It’s worth noting that no one seemed to have a good read on the Iggles RB situation coming into the season. Swift has emerged, but he was not considered ahead of the other 3 RBs during the preseason. 

 

Interesting thought on the draft. 

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I thought Sirianni was crazy to not recognize Swift as his #1.  Kenneth Gainwell?  Really?  

 

The only thing holding DeAndre back has been his health.  Talent was never the question.