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2 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

It would, but I am leary of giving up a 1st when we are going to need some O talent next year. I think I'd rather give a 4th or 5th to GB for Rosul Douglas or to Washington for Kendall Fuller. Douglas has another year on his contract and Fuller has also played safety, so he could be re-signed if wanted/needed next season. May not be the quality of Johnson, but would still improve what we currently have without using a high DP. 

Its bad business to ever trade a first.  If it is not for quarterback or a once a generation type player (aaron Donald ish) imo you should never ever do it.  

 

I feel like the market has been set for above average defensive players with expiring contracts with Williams.  So that would mean a 2024 2nd and a 2025 5th.  The bills have two 3rds so moving the second though hard to swallow would be justifiable in this case.  

 

The bigger question is do you want to give a player a big time deal that you do not even know?  That can upset the locker room.  An outsider coming in and getting big money.  The fact that he is a corner is another iffy thing to me.  Guys that far away from the ball, you have to think twice about paying them these huge deals.  You can always justify it for a player that plays on the line of scrimmage or a quarterback.  Its just hard to do for a corner imo.  Even the great ones are up and down.

 

Matt Eberflus Bears defense asks the corners to jam at the line of scrimmage.  He has a varied background having come up with Rob Ryan and then Rod marinelli.  So jamming at the line of scrimmage and forcing guys inside is priority one.  Johnson fits that mold with long arms and he is strong.  I imagine he would fit right in with this defense.  

 

Having heard that SF is involved that makes me think this may get pushed to a first round pick.  They are going for it 100% right now (Buffalo is to right?) and they seem to overpay if they want something and are not afraid to bring guys in and worry about tomorrow, tomorrow.

 

Having said all that, this team needs help up front IMO, but there is no one who is going to trade the big guys inside at this point so getting a corner who can play the upper level wr and slow them down is the next best thing.  A 2nd round pick wouldn't break the back of the Bills but it will be tough to swallow on Draft day when there are needs.

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I don't know about you all but I'm going to be so mad if we don't walk out of today without adding a #1 CB, an all-pro DT, a pro bowl LB, a WR to push Davis, and additional draft capital in both 2024 and 2025.

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13 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Its bad business to ever trade a first.  If it is not for quarterback or a once a generation type player (aaron Donald ish) imo you should never ever do it.  

 

I feel like the market has been set for above average defensive players with expiring contracts with Williams.  So that would mean a 2024 2nd and a 2025 5th.  The bills have two 3rds so moving the second though hard to swallow would be justifiable in this case.  

 

The bigger question is do you want to give a player a big time deal that you do not even know?  That can upset the locker room.  An outsider coming in and getting big money.  The fact that he is a corner is another iffy thing to me.  Guys that far away from the ball, you have to think twice about paying them these huge deals.  You can always justify it for a player that plays on the line of scrimmage or a quarterback.  Its just hard to do for a corner imo.  Even the great ones are up and down.

 

Matt Eberflus Bears defense asks the corners to jam at the line of scrimmage.  He has a varied background having come up with Rob Ryan and then Rod marinelli.  So jamming at the line of scrimmage and forcing guys inside is priority one.  Johnson fits that mold with long arms and he is strong.  I imagine he would fit right in with this defense.  

 

Having heard that SF is involved that makes me think this may get pushed to a first round pick.  They are going for it 100% right now (Buffalo is to right?) and they seem to overpay if they want something and are not afraid to bring guys in and worry about tomorrow, tomorrow.

 

Having said all that, this team needs help up front IMO, but there is no one who is going to trade the big guys inside at this point so getting a corner who can play the upper level wr and slow them down is the next best thing.  A 2nd round pick wouldn't break the back of the Bills but it will be tough to swallow on Draft day when there are needs.

I still don't think Johnson is the answer and still think it's too much to give up.

 

You want to see something kind of funny. Elams comparison is Jaylon Johnson!! 🤣🤣

 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kaiir-elam/3200454c-4155-0002-a198-92eda6859fa9

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I would just like to Add on Jaylon Johnson.  Spotrac's potential salary for him is 3 years 23.3 mllion with an avg salary of 7.7 million.  I imagine this is the hold up with the bears and a contract.  He probably sees himself as Jalen Ramsey and his comps according to spotrac are taron johnson, jordan lewis, charvarious ward...etc....This must be the issue.

 

also a few more things, Seattle sending a 2nd round pick to NY while NY ate the salary on Williams may not be an accurate estimate on compensation.  Johnson is younger and less expensive.  That seattle pick will end up being a late 2 as would buffalo, Dallas or SF's 2.  The bears may ask for a 1 for johnson.  I wouldn't want to be competing in this type of situation with SF, I do not think Dallas would even consider a 1 however.  

 

The difference with buffalo is they could send elam.  Elam and johnson are essentially the same size and elam has years left on his deal and could step in and get a fresh start under imo a very good defensive coach in Eberflus.   So maybe Elam and a 3 could be an option if no one else goes higher than a 2.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/jaylon-johnson-47645/market-value/

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Has Elam really had enough reps/PT & time to adjust to the pro game to really judge his ability.  He smacks of a guy we dump who turns out to be a player elsewhere…

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Looks like some rumors on jaylon Johnson from the bears (CB) - couple things I read he sought a trade and I guess Buffalo is interested

 

saw another fascinating one that the commanders were interested in trading two guys on defense

Montez Swear and Chase Young for a second rounder (each) is what they want - don’t think that is too bad 

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1 hour ago, CNYfan said:

I am not expecting anything big, or anything at all.   May a DT like Harrison Phillips, but not going to be trading a 1st rounder without the extension in place.  

Thank you Buzz Killington 

2 minutes ago, Drew21PA said:

Looks like some rumors on jaylon Johnson from the bears (CB) - couple things I read he sought a trade and I guess Buffalo is interested

 

saw another fascinating one that the commanders were interested in trading two guys on defense

Montez Swear and Chase Young for a second rounder (each) is what they want - don’t think that is too bad 

Bet Young could be had for a 3rd.

worth it?

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1 minute ago, Drew21PA said:

Maybe but I think a 2nd is fair 

We have 2 3rds. Beane would part with 1 for Young me thinks. Will the commanders take it though? I make that call if I’m BB.

Chase Young’s a good player.

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4 minutes ago, 26TrapDraw said:

We have 2 3rds. Beane would part with 1 for Young me thinks. Will the commanders take it though? I make that call if I’m BB.

Chase Young’s a good player.

And why exactly would we be in the market for DEs ? We have a gaping hole at DT1 followed by LB and CB

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a dream could be Davante Adams and Johnson

 

then sign Suh

 

edit: I don't think Hopkins moves from Ten because their rookie probably needs him for development

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2 minutes ago, 26TrapDraw said:

We have 2 3rds. Beane would part with 1 for Young me thinks. Will the commanders take it though? I make that call if I’m BB.

Chase Young’s a good player.

I wouldn't trade for Young or Sweat right now. I think we are already set at DE for now. Allen on the other hand...😁

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