No "sugar-rush" Josh vs. JAX?

[The Red King]

Kinda lost in the mix...but when things went to crap and time was running out, some people worried about Josh going full hero ball.  I'm sure he was tempted, but I'll admit I was a bit surprised to see he didn't.

 

Maybe he actually took that Week One disaster to heart.  Too early to tell, but Sun. was at least encouraging in that regard.

[MJS]

Maybe he needed to a bit more.

[mrags]

You saw that as encouraging? I think he looked sulking in the sideline like he was a dog that just had his balls cut off. Would have been nice to see some fire from him. Blame the coaches I guess. Either they miscalculated and should have arrived in London at the beginning of the week, or they could get the team up to play. Either way, it’s on the coaches. 

[JJGauna]

I think he needs a haircut lol.

[newcam2012]

3 minutes ago, The Red King said:

Kinda lost in the mix...but when things went to crap and time was running out, some people worried about Josh going full hero ball.  I'm sure he was tempted, but I'll admit I was a bit surprised to see he didn't.

 

Maybe he actually took that Week One disaster to heart.  Too early to tell, but Sun. was at least encouraging in that regard.

It was a great game plan and execution. The offense punted 6 out of the first 7 times they controlled the ball. 

 

The offense was sleep walking for 3.5 quarters. 

 

Yep the "no sugar rush" was fantastic to see!

[AlfaBill]

5 minutes ago, mrags said:

You saw that as encouraging? I think he looked sulking in the sideline like he was a dog that just had his balls cut off. Would have been nice to see some fire from him. Blame the coaches I guess. Either they miscalculated and should have arrived in London at the beginning of the week, or they could get the team up to play. Either way, it’s on the coaches. 

You know not every one leads by yelling and jumping up and down. I don’t care how he leads as long as he does it with success. Ie throwing a great pass or making a nice run. Not saying you’re wrong, just don’t agree that he’s sulking. Some people become pensive in those situations and think about how to get out of it. 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, AlfaBill said:

You know not every one leads by yelling and jumping up and down. I don’t care how he leads as long as he does it with success. Ie throwing a great pass or making a nice run. Not saying you’re wrong, just don’t agree that he’s sulking. Some people become pensive in those situations and think about how to get out of it. 

Ignore this new angle the bitter Allen hating deadenders are throwing out. Remember how it was that he wasn't working out in the off season; or that he was making to many commercials; or that he was going to to many golf courses; or drinking to much; or dating Hollywood starlets, etc, etc, etc.

 

Then after week one Allen was regressing, he couldn't control his impulses he was destined to play on a sugar rush in every game.  He was careless with the ball.

 

But after 4 straight games in which Allen has played good to great and in which he has been phenomenally productive and careful with the ball these people have to come up with new reasons to trash Allen.  The two most recent are:

 

*  Allen isn't a big enough cheerleader on the sideline and doesn't get in the faces of his teammates enough - you know "leadership" stuff.

 

*  Allen doesn't audible out of run plays enough.

 

Trust me, even if Allen leads the Bills to a Super Bowl win these people will come out of the woodwork with their criticisms at the first sign of trouble.

 

 

 

[newcam2012]

19 minutes ago, mrags said:

You saw that as encouraging? I think he looked sulking in the sideline like he was a dog that just had his balls cut off. Would have been nice to see some fire from him. Blame the coaches I guess. Either they miscalculated and should have arrived in London at the beginning of the week, or they could get the team up to play. Either way, it’s on the coaches. 

I made a comment on another thread about Allen sleep walking and not showing any emotion in the sidelines. I got my head ripped off for saying so. 

13 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

You know not every one leads by yelling and jumping up and down. I don’t care how he leads as long as he does it with success. Ie throwing a great pass or making a nice run. Not saying you’re wrong, just don’t agree that he’s sulking. Some people become pensive in those situations and think about how to get out of it. 

I get that but it also doesn't fit the MO of Allen either. I can recall on many many occasions over the years a vocal fired up Allen on the sidelines pumping up his players. His temperament has seemingly changed. Maybe that's good, bad, or indifferent. Personally, I like seeing my QB a little fired up but under control. My eyes didn't see that on Sunday vs the Jags. Granted it was a small sample and we can't see everything. 

[AlfaBill]

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

I made a comment on another thread about Allen sleep walking and not showing any emotion in the sidelines. I got my head ripped off for saying so. 

The truth is this: Anyone who believes that JA is the problem or even part of the problem, doesn’t know jack. Fans like that don’t deserve him as the all pro Qb of their team. I don’t give a shite if he yells and screams on the sideline like someone’s ideal interpretation of a leader. But when he goes out and gives his best and puts the team in a position to win that’s what counts. People look for problems like Diggs is a diva, Dion is fat, Blah bla bla. 

[mrags]

26 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

You know not every one leads by yelling and jumping up and down. I don’t care how he leads as long as he does it with success. Ie throwing a great pass or making a nice run. Not saying you’re wrong, just don’t agree that he’s sulking. Some people become pensive in those situations and think about how to get out of it. 

Yeah. I understand your argument. But I could pretty much tell early on in the game that he had no fire in him on Sunday. Was able to see it about about the 2rd or 3rd drive. He looked out of it on the sideline. Sorry, it’s what I saw. I knew early on in the game it was going to be a rough day. His stats were really good as far as yards and everything but let’s be real, they started the game with like 3 three and outs. Punted on like 6 of their first 7 possessions. Something wasn’t right from the beginning. He looked dejected, not much different from the Bengals game last year when Diggs was wondering what was going on. 

38 minutes ago, JJGauna said:

I think he needs a haircut lol.

This too

[The Red King]

Everyone yelled about sugar-rush Josh costing them Week One single-handedly.  Now people are actually complaining that he didn't play like that on Sunday?

 

Really?

[John from Riverside]

on my mind, but I didn’t post it

 

I kept thinking to myself during the game as long as Josh doesn’t turn it over we got this, and it looked like he was really holding himself back from taking off and running or going for the kill punch in the game which I appreciate it because that’s what he’s got us to where we are now with our record

 

But sometimes it’s OK for Josh to run. I’d really like to see him go through his first and second read and if it’s not there take off and just get those first downs and keep the office on the field. It didn’t seem like he was doing that it matter fact, it seemed like he was make a concerted effort not to do that.

 

I want to see non-sugar Josh but we’ve got to make sure that we keep the happy medium of what makes him great. What makes him great is he can make any throw on the field, but he can also do it with his legs when he has to would’ve really have led to see a few more runs after making his reeds in the Sunday game. 

 

I am against the designed runs. I don’t like them at all and honestly I don’t think they work that well, but just letting him run when it’s not there. Is smart.

[mrags]

18 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I made a comment on another thread about Allen sleep walking and not showing any emotion in the sidelines. I got my head ripped off for saying so. 

I get that but it also doesn't fit the MO of Allen either. I can recall on many many occasions over the years a vocal fired up Allen on the sidelines pumping up his players. His temperament has seemingly changed. Maybe that's good, bad, or indifferent. Personally, I like seeing my QB a little fired up but under control. My eyes didn't see that on Sunday vs the Jags. Granted it was a small sample and we can't see everything. 

Yeah. I had the same issues yesterday with the underthrows thread. I get it. I love Josh too. My favorite football player ever. The best player we’ve ever had on this team. One of the top 2-3 faces of the league. I get he cannot be perfect all the time. But I also don’t make excuses for him when he doesn’t play well or when he looks like he did the other day. Something was off. 

[AlfaBill]

1 minute ago, mrags said:

Yeah. I understand your argument. But I could pretty much tell early on in the game that he had no fire in him on Sunday. Was able to see it about about the 2rd or 3rd drive. He looked out of it on the sideline. Sorry, it’s what I saw. I knew early on in the game it was going to be a rough day. His stats were really good as far as yards and everything but let’s be real, they started the game with like 3 three and outs. Punted on like 6 of their first 7 possessions. Something wasn’t right from the beginning. He looked dejected, not much different from the Bengals game last year when Diggs was wondering what was going on. 

This too

So the offense punts 6/7 times and you put it ALL ON JOSH NOT YELLING?  Ok

 

Not the drops by Cook or Gabe. Not the Kincaid run where he fails to get the 1st by one yard? Not by the inability to RUN THE BaLL? 
 

I see. Josh having fits on the side would’ve won them the game. Sorry I disagree. 
josh Allen is not the problem. 

2 minutes ago, The Red King said:

Everyone yelled about sugar-rush Josh costing them Week One single-handedly.  Now people are actually complaining that he didn't play like that on Sunday?

 

Really?

Not everyone. Just the airheads. 

[mrags]

1 minute ago, The Red King said:

Everyone yelled about sugar-rush Josh costing them Week One single-handedly.  Now people are actually complaining that he didn't play like that on Sunday?

 

Really?

There’s a difference. He had zero fire yesterday. None. It’s honestly not his fault. The coaching staff cut his balls off. Overall it might be better in the long run. But man, superhero Josh wins that game 9 times out of 10 yesterday. 

1 minute ago, AlfaBill said:

So the offense punts 6/7 times and you put it ALL ON JOSH NOT YELLING?  Ok

 

Not the drops by Cook or Gabe. Not the Kincaid run where he fails to get the 1st by one yard? Not by the inability to RUN THE BaLL? 
 

I see. Josh having fits on the side would’ve won them the game. Sorry I disagree. 
josh Allen is not the problem. 

Not everyone. Just the airheads. 

There you go putting words in my mouth. I never said he was the reason they lost the game. I never said he played poorly. All I said was he didn’t look like he had any fire out there. Like he didn’t even want to be there. He looked glazed over in the sideline like he just saw his dog get hit by a car or something. We could have used a little hero ball yesterday and he didn’t have it. 

[AlfaBill]

1 minute ago, mrags said:

Yeah. I had the same issues yesterday with the underthrows thread. I get it. I love Josh too. My favorite football player ever. The best player we’ve ever had on this team. One of the top 2-3 faces of the league. I get he cannot be perfect all the time. But I also don’t make excuses for him when he doesn’t play well or when he looks like he did the other day. Something was off. 

Again with the underthrows. He threw the long ball well. He may be the only QB who can toss the ball 60+ air yards. They weren’t under thrown. It’s almost impossible to hit the WR in stride in those deep deep drop throws.  In fact most QBs don’t even try 

[mrags]

Just now, AlfaBill said:

Again with the underthrows. He threw the long ball well. He may be the only QB who can toss the ball 60+ air yards. They weren’t under thrown. It’s almost impossible to hit the WR in stride in those deep deep drop throws.  In fact most QBs don’t even try 

I see QBs do it every single week in the league. And again with the underthrows. Yes. He underthrew them. It doesn’t mean he’s not awesome. Yes they were 55 yards in the air. But if they were 58 they would have been TDs both of them. Even Josh admitted that the first one was underthrown just to make sure he didn’t miss Diggs. So what’s your argument now? Even Allen himself admitted it. 

[Simon]

11 minutes ago, mrags said:

But I could pretty much tell early on in the game that he had no fire in him on Sunday.

 

There's a lot of positions where you want your guys to be playing with serious fire.

I would suggest that QB is not one of them.

It's a position for cold-blooded assassins, not raging berserkers.

[newcam2012]

34 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Ignore this new angle the bitter Allen hating deadenders are throwing out. Remember how it was that he wasn't working out in the off season; or that he was making to many commercials; or that he was going to to many golf courses; or drinking to much; or dating Hollywood starlets, etc, etc, etc.

 

Then after week one Allen was regressing, he couldn't control his impulses he was destined to play on a sugar rush in every game.  He was careless with the ball.

 

But after 4 straight games in which Allen has played good to great and in which he has been phenomenally productive and careful with the ball these people have to come up with new reasons to trash Allen.  The two most recent are:

 

*  Allen isn't a big enough cheerleader on the sideline and doesn't get in the faces of his teammates enough - you know "leadership" stuff.

 

*  Allen doesn't audible out of run plays enough.

 

Trust me, even if Allen leads the Bills to a Super Bowl win these people will come out of the woodwork with their criticisms at the first sign of trouble.

 

 

 

Your synopsis isn't accurate for the majority of people here. 99% of Bills fans know Josh Allen is great and the solution not the problem. That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve criticism. The Jets game is a great example. 

 

Not many here are trashing Allen. I certainly am not. However, I did say I wish he was more vocal and emotional on the sidelines. I stand by that. A personal preference if you will. In the end, it's probably not a difference maker but a leader sometimes can spark others to play better.

 

It appeared the Bills offense needed a spark while watching the Jags game. Punting six out of your first seven possessions is terrible. Scoring 7 points midway through the 4th quarter is terrible. Maybe a little emotion could have helped? The Jags certainly were playing with emotion. You could feel it via the TV. Even McD stated the Bills couldn't match their energy! WTF!!!That's just not acceptable. Something needed to change way earlier in the game. But it never did until it was too late. 

 

I thought after halftime the Bills would regroup and show some life. Show some attitude and dominance. Nope they immediately punted after getting the ball. They remained stagnant, unemotional, going through the motions, and their sleep walking continued for another quarter and a half. McD continued his clapping on the sidelines and Dorsey continued to make shi! calls. 

 

I digress. What ever audibles or lack of Allen called didn't work for the greater part of the game. That's just as obvious as they come. The offense was bad. Allen was decent to good but not good enough. It was a game where Allen needed to be unleashed, use his legs, extend plays, and play with emotion. Wear the cape sort of speak. The team was dead on offense. It hindered Allen more than helping him. Allen is likely gun shy to try to be Farve like. It was a missed opportunity by Allen and Dorsey. 

 

In short, we Bills fans are soundly behind Allen. No one is saying he stinks or wishes he's in another uniform. Perhaps, we expect too much from our franchise QB. That could be fair to say. But what you are implying is borderline ridiculous. 

 

 

Edited October 10, 2023 by newcam2012

[AlfaBill]

5 minutes ago, mrags said:

There’s a difference. He had zero fire yesterday. None. It’s honestly not his fault. The coaching staff cut his balls off. Overall it might be better in the long run. But man, superhero Josh wins that game 9 times out of 10 yesterday. 

There you go putting words in my mouth. I never said he was the reason they lost the game. I never said he played poorly. All I said was he didn’t look like he had any fire out there. Like he didn’t even want to be there. He looked glazed over in the sideline like he just saw his dog get hit by a car or something. We could have used a little hero ball yesterday and he didn’t have it. 

You said 

 

1 minute ago, mrags said:

I see QBs do it every single week in the league. And again with the underthrows. Yes. He underthrew them. It doesn’t mean he’s not awesome. Yes they were 55 yards in the air. But if they were 58 they would have been TDs both of them. Even Josh admitted that the first one was underthrown just to make sure he didn’t miss Diggs. So what’s your argument now? Even Allen himself admitted it. 

You see 60 air yard throws each week? Ok

 

done.