All-22 analysis of Bills/Jags

[mannc]

This is a great listen.  Marino is getting better and better.  He’s miles ahead of the other Bills podcasters.

[Shortchaz]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

The sad part is, no matter how many valid points we make. You won't change your mind. It is NOT Josh's fault if WRs drop passes unless they are insanely off target which is not the case most times. It is not Josh's fault if he drops back to pass and had the entire defense in his face as soon as he drops back. But you think it is, you realize how that makes no sense and why you are ignorant, right?

Excuse me, the quarterback has the authority and mandate to put the team in a different play and protection if they see fit. Josh Allen is the highest paid player and makes more than the entire coaching staff combined.
 

SOME of what happened yesterday is Josh’s fault. 

 

sorry if that hurts your feelings. 
 

Do you you know what makes you ignorant? 

[HoofHearted]

13 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Thank you for your comments. When you say there were plays to be made, do you mean the RBs missed the plays or do you mean they weren't blocked properly? Or some of both?

1st & 10 - 1st Series - Dart - 6 yard gain (Gun)

1st & 10 - 2nd Series - GH Counter - 1 yard loss (Gun): DE did a good job of spilling the kick by McGovern, but even so there was about a 3-4 yard gain to be had if Cook follows Knox's wrap inside. Instead he hesitates and ends up running into the back of our pulling McGovern.

3rd & 1 - 3rd Series - ISO - 2 yard gain (Under Center) - this was the lone loaded box and it was because of the offensive set we were in

2nd & 9 - 3rd Series - ISO - 6 yard gain (Gun)

2nd & 1 - 3rd Series - Crack Toss - 5 yard loss (Gun) - Safety blitz blew it up - good call by them - good play by the Safety. Not a great pitch path by Cook - needs to be flatter initially, but the play was dead regardless with the blitz. If he hadn't blitzed it would have been a big gain.

2nd & 10 - 4th Series - ISO - 4 yard gain (Gun)

2nd & 3 - 4th Series - Mid Zone - 2 yard gain (Under Center)

1st & 10 - 5th Series - ISO - 1 yard loss (Gun) - DE crashes - we don't adjust our blocking to accomodate.

1st & 10 - 6th Series - Dart - 5 yard gain (Gun)

1st & 10 - 7th Series - Sprint Draw - 2 yard loss (Gun) - Torrence got nerd tossed and Dawkins whiffed on his block otherwise it's a pretty significant gain. The initial hole is huge.

 

ISO is what Cover 1 is incorrectly calling Duo in their breakdown. Offensively we lost the game in the trenches. We were getting mauled in the run game and they were getting Allen off his spot in the pass game and forcing him to make throws before routes were able to develop. Really good defensive lines is going to be this teams kryptonite yet again.

 

As far as the play action and under center stuff that Cover 1 is drooling over - there was only one play action where we took advantage of the action. Everything else was outside or downfield which had no impact by the fact we were under center or showing some type of action.

15 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

1. The team didn't stand a chance once the schedule came out. Goodell and his greed made sure of that.

 

2. Dorsey did a crappy job adjusting to early heavy boxes.  And for some stupid reason he abandoned the behind center play action. 

 

3. Multiple dropped passes that killed drives.

 

4. Deciding to leave Thursday instead of Monday. 

This is a bad take.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

I’ve caught a bit of Marino and Turner from time to time: I am curious…what are their credentials regarding actual football acumen aside from having shows that are dedicated to breaking down film? 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Shortchaz said:

I disagree, his recognition and anticipation are not great. 
 

flaw might be the wrong word. Weakness is what I meant 

It's been pointed out by another poster that Allen's eyes are sometimes slow to read a defense. 

 

I severely questioned him at the time. Maybe he's right? 

[Lost]

2 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I’ve caught a bit of Marino and Turner from time to time: I am curious…what are their credentials regarding actual football acumen aside from having shows that are dedicated to breaking down film? 

 

They beat Madden on All Pro setting

[Bob Jones]

33 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Why can't we ***** tackle ever?!?! We have to be the worst tackling team in all of football.

McD Lovers won’t want to hear this, but of course, this comes down squarely on bad coaching and worthless practices. What are they doing at practices, btw?

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Shortchaz said:

I think it’s fair to be critical of josh when the offense struggles because he is in control of it and the one that impacts it the most. It’s his job to make it work, fair or not. That includes the running game. 

Exactly the point I have been making on another thread. I've been met with great resistance. 

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

1st & 10 - 1st Series - Dart - 6 yard gain (Gun)

1st & 10 - 2nd Series - GH Counter - 1 yard loss (Gun): DE did a good job of spilling the kick by McGovern, but even so there was about a 3-4 yard gain to be had if Cook follows Knox's wrap inside. Instead he hesitates and ends up running into the back of our pulling McGovern.

3rd & 1 - 3rd Series - ISO - 2 yard gain (Under Center) - this was the lone loaded box and it was because of the offensive set we were in

2nd & 9 - 3rd Series - ISO - 6 yard gain (Gun)

2nd & 1 - 3rd Series - Crack Toss - 5 yard loss (Gun) - Safety blitz blew it up - good call by them - good play by the Safety. Not a great pitch path by Cook - needs to be flatter initially, but the play was dead regardless with the blitz. If he hadn't blitzed it would have been a big gain.

2nd & 10 - 4th Series - ISO - 4 yard gain (Gun)

2nd & 3 - 4th Series - Mid Zone - 2 yard gain (Under Center)

1st & 10 - 5th Series - ISO - 1 yard loss (Gun) - DE crashes - we don't adjust our blocking to accomodate.

1st & 10 - 6th Series - Dart - 5 yard gain (Gun)

1st & 10 - 7th Series - Sprint Draw - 2 yard loss (Gun) - Torrence got nerd tossed and Dawkins whiffed on his block otherwise it's a pretty significant gain. The initial hole is huge.

 

ISO is what Cover 1 is incorrectly calling Duo in their breakdown. Offensively we lost the game in the trenches. We were getting mauled in the run game and they were getting Allen off his spot in the pass game and forcing him to make throws before routes were able to develop. Really good defensive lines is going to be this teams kryptonite yet again.

 

As far as the play action and under center stuff that Cover 1 is drooling over - there was only one play action where we took advantage of the action. Everything else was outside or downfield which had no impact by the fact we were under center or showing some type of action.

This is a bad take.

Do you think it was a bad scheme/matchup or were our guys just a half step off their game? 

 

Haven't looked at the all22 but on broadcast it just seemed we were losing in a bunch of places where we normally wouldn't 

[HappyDays]

8 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

Really good defensive lines is going to be this teams kryptonite yet again.

 

I will say I think this was by far the worst the OL has looked this year. I would like to think that the travel and the jet lag on a tight schedule contributed to some of their struggles in this one, and that they will look much better in normal weeks. Most of football comes down to the trenches and we lost that battle on both sides of the ball.

[Since1981]

What was the “LaBron James” audible?

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I’ve caught a bit of Marino and Turner from time to time: I am curious…what are their credentials regarding actual football acumen aside from having shows that are dedicated to breaking down film? 

 

Erik Turner is just an amateur who has a lot of time and good video editing tools. A professional like @HoofHearted will make him look clueless on occasion but for video content he's the best we got.

 

Joe Marino at least was a founding member of a professional scouting organization so I think he has more credentials than Turner, but he hasn't worked for any NFL teams as far as I know.

[HoofHearted]

9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Do you think it was a bad scheme/matchup or were our guys just a half step off their game? 

 

Haven't looked at the all22 but on broadcast it just seemed we were losing in a bunch of places where we normally wouldn't 

Scheme looked good in the run game. We had angles and numbers - just didn't execute.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Shortchaz said:

I think it’s fair to be critical of josh when the offense struggles because he is in control of it and the one that impacts it the most. It’s his job to make it work, fair or not. That includes the running game. 

What part of this alt 22 review did you not understand?

 

-As far as the passing game, Joe said that Allen played terrific and really wasn't to blame at all for any of our passing struggles. He said there have been times in the past where he's seen Allen turn down easy completions, but in this game he was executing his reads the way they were designed and manipulating the pocket well.

 

-He blames several of our stalled drives on skill players. Cook dropping a pass on the first drive, Knox dropping a pass on a 3rd down, Davis dropping a pass on a 2nd down, all of these he says the pass catcher definitely should have come down with them. He also blames Diggs for the interception after watching a few replays. He says the ball was a tad underthrown but it went 70 yards in the air and Diggs gets both hands on it - that's a situation where he says Diggs simply has to win the catch

[CincyBillsFan]

48 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

Excuse me, the quarterback has the authority and mandate to put the team in a different play and protection if they see fit. Josh Allen is the highest paid player and makes more than the entire coaching staff combined.
 

SOME of what happened yesterday is Josh’s fault. 

 

sorry if that hurts your feelings. 
 

Do you you know what makes you ignorant? 

Oh please.  This is utter garbage.  Throwing out Allen's contract as reason that he should never screw up (if he even did screw up) pre snap calls is ridiculous. Claiming that because Allen makes more money then the entire coaching staff means he should do the coaching to?  This is either trolling or crazy talk.

 

Allen is a bargain from a contract standpoint.  He's what the 10th highest paid QB while easily being the 2nd best QB in the NFL.  Judas Priest.

 

 

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, Shortchaz said:

I think it’s fair to be critical of josh when the offense struggles because he is in control of it and the one that impacts it the most. It’s his job to make it work, fair or not. That includes the running game. 

 

Ravens lost yesterday because they played a good defense and skill players kept dropping passes. 
 

Jags played well and when plays were there to be made every focal player didn’t come through.  
 

-Diggs lost a 50/50

-Gabe had a chain moving drop

-Knox had chain moving drop

-Cook had a chain moving drop

-Kincaid didn’t fight for an extra yard 

-Couldn’t run the ball

-OL bullied for the first time since NYJ

 

It was a total failure all around for the offense.  

[Shortchaz]

18 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Ravens lost yesterday because they played a good defense and skill players kept dropping passes. 
 

Jags played well and when plays were there to be made every focal player didn’t come through.  
 

-Diggs lost a 50/50

-Gabe had a chain moving drop

-Knox had chain moving drop

-Cook had a chain moving drop

-Kincaid didn’t fight for an extra yard 

-Couldn’t run the ball

-OL bullied for the first time since NYJ

 

It was a total failure all around for the offense.  

I agree. The argument I’m making is nuanced or maybe not as obvious as the failures you’ve pointed out. I expect people to disagree with me as they see ANY criticism of josh as sacrilegious. 

[78thealltimegreat]

19 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Oh please.  This is utter garbage.  Throwing out Allen's contract as reason that he should never screw up (if he even did screw up) pre snap calls is ridiculous. Claiming that because Allen makes more money then the entire coaching staff means he should do the coaching to?  This is either trolling or crazy talk.

 

Allen is a bargain from a contract standpoint.  He's what the 10th highest paid QB while easily being the 2nd best QB in the NFL.  Judas Priest.

 

 

According to PFF he’s now the third highest rated QB and is number 10 against the cap when it comes to QBs. So he really is a financial bargain for his production. 

[Nihilarian]

2 hours ago, Shortchaz said:

Josh is a great but flawed quarterback. All his physical tools are ideal. He has, and still can (a lot of the time), rely heavily on these tools. He hasn’t had to be a student of the game beyond what is normal (for starting nfl quarterbacks). If he wants to go to the next level he has to develop this aspect of his game. He has to make his changeup as good as his fastball if you will. 
 

These shortcomings are also on coaching. The coordinator and the qb are a package. 
 

These criticisms are in the context of josh already being a great nfl quarterback. 

Yep, Josh is flawed. He missed 19 tackles and dropped so many passes. If only he would make those contested catches...

[Buffalo03]

1 hour ago, Shortchaz said:

Excuse me, the quarterback has the authority and mandate to put the team in a different play and protection if they see fit. Josh Allen is the highest paid player and makes more than the entire coaching staff combined.
 

SOME of what happened yesterday is Josh’s fault. 

 

sorry if that hurts your feelings. 
 

Do you you know what makes you ignorant? 

Yes SOME. But you know some of what happens wrong in the Chiefs offense is Mahomes's fault. Is he "flawed" to? Josh is not perfect. But to say offensive struggles are 100% on him which is what you said, then you are ignorant. Dropped passes are not on Josh. Bad oline protection is not on Josh. You realize, that the pads protection calls may be right and that our oline just doesn't block the way they should, right? Or when a lineman misses his man, is that on Josh too? A RB fumbling a ball is not on Josh. Yes, you are very ignorant if you think that's the case. Get a life

Edited October 10, 2023 by Buffalo03