Kincaid in concussion protocol, Knox has a wrist injury

[Paup 1995MVP]

15 hours ago, Mango said:

 

I think getting Cook, Kincaid, Harty, and Sherfield a minimum of 2 catches per game forces the defense to cover everybody, which should help open up the run game and make life easier on Diggs, Davis, Knox, and the RB stable to spring some big plays in bigger moments. 

I don't need everybody to be awesome. I just need them to get the ball a few times to keep the other team honest. 

Our offensive scheme is terrible.  We draft a stud TE in the first round and he hasn't been thrown one ball more then 10 yards down the field in 5 games.  His avg distance of passes caught is under 4 yards.  He is used exactly like Knox, who is a mediocre athlete w below avg hands.  Sherfield Shakir and Harty all can make plays, but they are either not on the field or not thrown to down the field.  The offense should be ashamed of what took place against the Jaguars.  We have the most talented QB in the NFL hands down, and we are throwing 3 yard outs for almost the entire first half.  Shame on Ken Dorsey.  His play calling and scheme is a joke.  They want to handcuff Josh Allen into a Trent Edwards Teddy Bridgewater clone.  That does not win in the NFL.  

 

Watch what the 49ers do with their passing game.  All crossing patterns DOWN the field.  I was disgusted by the offensive game plan against the Jags.  We should have been up by at least 21-11 at halftime w the ability of this offense.  And ran away and hid in the second half.   This was the same garbage we saw against the Jets.  Dorsey coaches scared anytime we play a solid defense.  

 

We can still have a great season regardless of who is playing defense for us.  But get rid of the 5 yard out passes.  They don't work in today's NFL.  You need at least 3 guys running at least 15 yards down the field on every pass play.  You have to pressure the opposing defense.  Secondaries are not that good.  Kincaid not running vertically is shocking to me.  If I am Brandon Beane I have a meeting w Dorsey and McDermott and explain why we drafted Kincaid in the 1st round.  

 

And btw Josh looked absolutely disgusted w how the game played out in the second half.  I can't imagine he doesn't have a say in how the offense is run.

[BernieBill]

As with Nyheim Hines last year, the Buffalo offensive brain trust doesn't know how to incorporate Kincaid anyway, or any newly acquired offensive piece, so it's as if Kincaid's had a concussion the entire season.  These would be major losses if Buffalo properly utilized Knox-Kincaid ... but they don't ... so whatever ... next one catch for 9 yards tight end up!

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Our offensive scheme is terrible.  We draft a stud TE in the first round and he hasn't been thrown one ball more then 10 yards down the field in 5 games.  His avg distance of passes caught is under 4 yards.  He is used exactly like Knox, who is a mediocre athlete w below avg hands.  Sherfield Shakir and Harty all can make plays, but they are either not on the field or not thrown to down the field.  The offense should be ashamed of what took place against the Jaguars.  We have the most talented QB in the NFL hands down, and we are throwing 3 yard outs for almost the entire first half.  Shame on Ken Dorsey.  His play calling and scheme is a joke.  They want to handcuff Josh Allen into a Trent Edwards Teddy Bridgewater clone.  That does not win in the NFL.  

 

Watch what the 49ers do with their passing game.  All crossing patterns DOWN the field.  I was disgusted by the offensive game plan against the Jags.  We should have been up by at least 21-11 at halftime w the ability of this offense.  And ran away and hid in the second half.   This was the same garbage we saw against the Jets.  Dorsey coaches scared anytime we play a solid defense.  

 

We can still have a great season regardless of who is playing defense for us.  But get rid of the 5 yard out passes.  They don't work in today's NFL.  You need at least 3 guys running at least 15 yards down the field on every pass play.  You have to pressure the opposing defense.  Secondaries are not that good.  Kincaid not running vertically is shocking to me.  If I am Brandon Beane I have a meeting w Dorsey and McDermott and explain why we drafted Kincaid in the 1st round.  

 

And btw Josh looked absolutely disgusted w how the game played out in the second half.  I can't imagine he doesn't have a say in how the offense is run.

This is a thought provoking post. 

 

Time goes on here, and I think we're in the same position as 2022 - it's Diggs and Allen, with the occasional play from Gabe Davis. 

 

Everything else in the offense is an afterthought, even with the resources poured into the Tight End position, and the Bills constant search for the next running back to sit on this roster and do nothing. 

 

The Jags game showed me that Dorsey (and McDermott overriding Dorsey) don't have a second pitch when someone actually plays defense. In an 11-7 game in the second half, when the Bills are going 3 and 4 out drive after drive (because they keep trying to pass) and the TOP is racking up for the Jags 2:1 verses the Bills battered backup defense, do the Bills try to run the ball straight ahead with Harris and Murray at all? No. 

 

3 carries in the entire second half, 2 of them were that same stupid draw play to Cook for -2 and 0 yards (5:00 left in the game?). The one other carry was 5 yards to Damien Harris up the middle. Murray got no carries in the second half. 

 

Do they line Allen up under Center and use play action? No. 

 

Are there any crossing patterns, any quick slants, anything to the middle of the field? No. 

 

The Allen designed runs are gone. 

 

Our big curveball was a horrible play design with 13 minutes left in the 4th where we brought in 3 Tight Ends and tried to throw to Quintin Morris, it was botched immediately and Dawkins was called for holding. 

 

Is it any coincidence that Harty is chained to the same role McKenzie was? Or that the best idea we have for Kincaid is to make him Cole Beasley? We tried last year to copy and paste Jamison Crowder into the same role. If it's not some copy and paste idea, Dorsey can't come up with anything. 

 

Several still shots are starting to surface where you have 2-3 players standing in the same spot down the field. 

 

It's becoming apparent that once again its Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs elite talent that is the life raft this entire offense is built on. There are no consistent facets of this offense other than those two. 

 

 

 

Edited October 10, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Straight Hucklebuck]

6 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

So I’m having a bit of opinion change on this now they’re even getting the tightend Meyer involved in his offense 

 

You can’t use a first round draft, pick on an offensive weapon and then not use him I thought that they was going to ramp him up as they went along and still think that that might be the plan but he’s definitely not being used enough yet. I’m hoping that this concussion does not hinder him from getting out on the field 

And was there anything ground breaking in the two long ones to Mayer? 

 

No.

 

The first one he sits outside the LT, motions across the formation, fakes a chip block at the snap and continues his motion into the flat where Garoppolo rolls and hits him in stride, in space, and he turns up the sideline for an easy 20-yards. 

 

The second one, he's in the same alignment, runs diagonally across the field in the 10-12 yard range, Garoppolo hits him in stride and he gets another 7 yards. 

 

Was that some earth shattering display of athleticism? Or genius level play design? No. 

 

I don't think Dorsey can think of anything. Tight Ends to him (and to Daboll as well) are safety valve players, not vertical players. 

 

If it's not copy and paste from Daboll, Dorsey can't think of anything. 

 

It's why Gabe looks the exact same, why Shakir has no role, why Harty is Isaiah McKenzie and has no role, and why Kincaid and Knox are RT helpers, and dump off options. 

 

The whole league is going to motion based offenses, and the Bills are in the static gun. 

 

Edited October 10, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Paup 1995MVP]

2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

And was there anything ground breaking in the two long ones to Mayer? 

 

No.

 

The first one he sits outside the LT, motions across the formation, fakes a chip block at the snap and continues his motion into the flat where Garoppolo rolls and hits him in stride, in space, and he turns up the sideline for an easy 20-yards. 

 

The second one, he's in the same alignment, runs diagonally across the field in the 10-12 yard range, Garoppolo hits him in stride and he gets another 7 yards. 

 

Was that some earth shattering display of athleticism? Or genius level play design? No. 

 

I don't think Dorsey can think of anything. Tight Ends to him (and to Daboll as well) are safety valve players, not vertical players. 

 

If it's not copy and paste from Daboll, Dorsey can't think of anything. 

 

It's why Gabe looks the exact same, why Shakir has no role, why Harty is Isaiah McKenzie and has no role, and why Kincaid and Knox are RT helpers, and dump off options. 

 

The whole league is going to motion based offenses, and the Bills are in the static gun. 

 

Good point on the lack of pre snap motion in our offense.  McDermott has a lot on his plate leading the defense.  And especially w all the injuries.  But the man is our head coach.  I sure hope he looks at the offensive film and has a heart to heart w Dorsey about changing things up some going forward.  You can have great players.  But everyone gets paid to out scheme each other in the NFL.  Most coaching staffs are pretty good at figuring things out after a while if you do not change things up. (Except for the Washington Commanders)

[Trogdor]

21 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Did you just post that he doesn't have a scheme with open WR's?  🤣.  You probably should take a break for a while.

You think flat routes and outlets are going to keep things going? They're going to be the last team to institute motions the way Miami does and actually get they're highly drafted TEs to the middle of the field deeper than 5 yards. 

21 hours ago, Eastport bills said:

The job of an OC and position coaches are to put draft choices in a position to succeed. Moss, Teller, Shakir, Kincaid are all players that couldn’t be incorporated into the offense. Even Knox seems like he’s used as a check down or a safety valve when Josh can’t find his first 2 reads and he’s flushed. This offense is reliant on Josh and his wideouts. Even the run game is laughable. This sprint laterally to run a draw is so easy to snuff out that we’re wasting Cook’s talent. I don’t expect Dorsey to be Reid or Shanahan or Pederson, but use your resources better.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The problem is the GM and HC just inexplicably decided that he would work as a bruiser. Same deal with Singletary who they sold as some Shady like replacement when he was far more the yards after contact guy in college. They try and outsmart the system too much. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

4 hours ago, Trogdor said:

You think flat routes and outlets are going to keep things going? They're going to be the last team to institute motions the way Miami does and actually get they're highly drafted TEs to the middle of the field deeper than 5 yards. 

The problem is the GM and HC just inexplicably decided that he would work as a bruiser. Same deal with Singletary who they sold as some Shady like replacement when he was far more the yards after contact guy in college. They try and outsmart the system too much. 

Go look at the stats.  The Bills have one of the elite passing offenses in the league.

[WideNine]

15 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Go look at the stats.  The Bills have one of the elite passing offenses in the league.

 

One game played with jet lag and we suck at everything right?

 

Fickle fans that blow with the wind each week. TEs are never downfield... Knox runs plenty of deeper routes, so our OC does know how to scheme those up. Fans complain that Allen can't take what defenses are giving up underneath, when he does they complain that the OC cannot scheme deep routes.

 

Did they play sloppy and fail to execute, yes.

 

Did our defense struggle to get off the field and gave up too many 3rd down conversions, yes.

 

One game does not define this offense that has been putting up decent numbers.

 

The Jags defense matches up well with us even when they are not given the advantage of a few weeks to acclimate to another time zone while our guys barely had time to unpack.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 11, 2023 by WideNine