Like to see more of Harris and Murray early

[BananaB]

Just move the ball forward with tough running. Cook just has too many negative plays and puts the O in bad situations. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Just move the ball forward with tough running. Cook just has too many negative plays and puts the O in bad situations. 

Agree in this game.

 

I don’t have a problem with Cook being the lead back in general, but he was ineffective right away today going sideways, and this game required more straight ahead North-South running. 
 

 

[JROC INTEL]

2 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Just move the ball forward with tough running. Cook just has too many negative plays and puts the O in bad situations. 

That you mean using your brain though.. we like to keep trying what doesn’t work.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

11 minutes ago, JROC INTEL said:

That you mean using your brain though.. we like to keep trying what doesn’t work.

1st Down - Cook up the middle -2 yards 

 

1st Down - Cook up the middle no gain

 

1st Down - Cook run right -6 yards

 

 

[JROC INTEL]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

1st Down - Cook up the middle -2 yards 

 

1st Down - Cook up the middle no gain

 

1st Down - Cook run right -6 yards

 

 

You forgot all the 2nd and 10s for 2 yards. Love purposely putting ourselves in 3rd down. I’m guessing they want “ a more manageable 3rd down” which In most cases I think is an weak awful strategy. 

[John from Riverside]

This is one of the things that I didn’t agree about with Dorsey’s playcalling today
 

Cook didn’t have it. I still think he’s a good player but whenever you come out of a game with negative yards and you had hammers that you didn’t use enough, you should get question.

 

There was a point in this game where we needed first downs, much less touchdowns to keep our defense fresh

 

Our defense didn’t give up they were exhausted

[thenorthremembers]

I just flat out dont think Cook is a lead back in the NFL.   For all the speed I hear about he is abysmally slow to the hole.    Its very hard to say that because he is still averaging over 5 yards a carry but he just doesnt have the feel of a bell cow back.  Id like to see Harris get more work, but I think we know what we have with Murray at this point in his career.  

[JROC INTEL]

2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I just flat out dont think Cook is a lead back in the NFL.   For all the speed I hear about he is abysmally slow to the hole.    Its very hard to say that because he is still averaging over 5 yards a carry but he just doesnt have the feel of a bell cow back.  Id like to see Harris get more work, but I think we know what we have with Murray at this point in his career.  

He simply is too small to break any tackles or push a pile. Great running outside don’t get me wrong, and is very useful in certain situations. But we are using him completely wrong and it’s so obvious it hurts

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

It’s gotta be part of the offensive game plan, right? Cook worked great against Miami because they don’t tackle well on the line, and get moved back regularly by string guards. Jacksonville has a different, and very good defense. Harris would have looked wonderful out there to slow the pace down, and make the defenders pay for tackling him.
 

Not sure why we can see that, and the coaching staff doesn’t. 

[thenorthremembers]

4 minutes ago, JROC INTEL said:

He simply is too small to break any tackles or push a pile. Great running outside don’t get me wrong, and is very useful in certain situations. But we are using him completely wrong and it’s so obvious it hurts

Could have had of choice of either Breece Hall or Kenneth Walker over Elam.  Looks like a big mistake right now.

Edited October 9, 2023 by thenorthremembers

[MJS]

I'd be fine if they never do that shotgun run where Allen runs to Cook and hands him the ball ever again. I hate that play.

[Big Blitz]

Zach Moss is now a hall of famer so we know how to draft RBs ….. 

 

[Warcodered]

14 minutes ago, MJS said:

I'd be fine if they never do that shotgun run where Allen runs to Cook and hands him the ball ever again. I hate that play.

I don't know if that play has taken Dorsey's family hostage or something, but if it's not working do something different or fix it.

[Maine-iac]

If we ran more screens or actually threw to him in some kind of planned out manner he would be more effective.  If we want to line up big, grind the ball, and throw to some TE's then there is no reason Harris shouldn't be getting some more carries.  Jet's game and this game are both great examples of a few stuffed runs and we give up and become easy to defend.  We were bullying the Dolphins around and we should be trying harder to do that week in and week out.

[Buffalo03]

44 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Just move the ball forward with tough running. Cook just has too many negative plays and puts the O in bad situations. 

Part of that is the shotgun run plays on 1st and 10 and 2nd and 10

[Johnnycage46]

Not a chance they change.  This is one stubborn staff.  Long live the shotgun draw baby

[Big Blitz]

The last 2 games:

 

 

17 carries for 25 yards 

 

1.5 ypc 

[JohnNord]

57 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Just move the ball forward with tough running. Cook just has too many negative plays and puts the O in bad situations. 

I don’t think it’s as much Cook as it s the OL struggling badly today.  There were plenty of plays where Cook had nowhere to go.  Maybe the simply should have tried to throw some of those delay runs out of the playbook today

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I don’t think it’s as much Cook as it s the OL struggling badly today.  There were plenty of plays where Cook had nowhere to go.  Maybe the simply should have tried to throw some of those delay runs out of the playbook today

A tale of 2 offenses.

 

Early on the Bills struggled to run the ball. The Jags struggled to run inside...even after Jones went out.

 

The Bills chose to abandon the run. There were 10 called running plays to the backs all day. And some of those were audibles. Tried mostly draws...very little under center and almost no misdirection. End result? Buffalo became 1 dimensional. Not much under center as they refused to stick with the run and that would make play action a moot point. No one was afraid of it. Allowed Jacksonville to key in on pass and pass rush. 

 

The Jags kept at it. Tried different ways to run until they found what worked. Wore down the defense and made them play the run. End result? ETN with a 35 yards TD run up the middle to basically seal the game.

 

Running the ball needs to be an attitude. If it's not working Dorsey needs to keep working it. The offense is much more dangerous when the run threat is there.

[HappyDays]

Cook is a hard player to figure out. I think what it comes down to is that if he has space to work with he is excellent and will maximize that space. That's where people get excited about him. But he is a little slow to accelerate and if he is met with direct contact he isn't going to break away from it. So when that space isn't created for him it looks as bad as it did today.